1 00:00:05,749 --> 00:00:02,840 it was completely silent it comes right 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:05,759 over our heads it's so classic 3 00:00:09,830 --> 00:00:08,010 flying-saucer really standing in the 4 00:00:11,299 --> 00:00:09,840 clearing he turned over to my father and 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:11,309 held his hand and he looked in his eyes 6 00:00:20,450 --> 00:00:17,130 and said we're not alone welcome to 7 00:00:22,580 --> 00:00:20,460 podcast UFO for our live show during the 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:22,590 show feel free to participate live in 9 00:00:27,170 --> 00:00:25,050 our chat room and don't forget to Like 10 00:00:29,990 --> 00:00:27,180 us on our very active Facebook page 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:30,000 hello and welcome to the show on Martin 12 00:00:35,299 --> 00:00:32,850 Willis your host and like I say welcome 13 00:00:39,229 --> 00:00:35,309 to the show we have an exciting one it's 14 00:00:41,900 --> 00:00:39,239 Aviation again we had that of I don't 15 00:00:45,229 --> 00:00:41,910 know maybe a month or so ago speaking 16 00:00:47,869 --> 00:00:45,239 with Todd Curtis and tonight we have a 17 00:00:50,029 --> 00:00:47,879 fighter pilot for the first part of the 18 00:00:53,900 --> 00:00:50,039 show and his name is Vincent 19 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:53,910 Ilia Aiello and he'll be on like I said 20 00:00:58,990 --> 00:00:55,770 the first hour and if all goes well 21 00:01:01,819 --> 00:00:59,000 we'll have a aviation correspondent 22 00:01:04,009 --> 00:01:01,829 Tyler rogue away who has written 23 00:01:06,020 --> 00:01:04,019 recently about some UFO sightings he 24 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:06,030 will be on the second part of the show 25 00:01:11,539 --> 00:01:08,729 and before all that we have news as 26 00:01:14,510 --> 00:01:11,549 usual with Alejandro Rojas in just one 27 00:01:18,050 --> 00:01:14,520 minute I will tell you that for those 28 00:01:20,929 --> 00:01:18,060 regular YouTube listeners and perhaps 29 00:01:22,789 --> 00:01:20,939 even some podcast subscribers you may 30 00:01:26,510 --> 00:01:22,799 not be aware of this but we had a show 31 00:01:31,249 --> 00:01:26,520 midweek well actually mid show week on 32 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:31,259 last Friday with the Hynek brothers dr. 33 00:01:36,499 --> 00:01:32,250 J Allen Hynek 34 00:01:38,390 --> 00:01:36,509 two sons we had a Joel and Paul Hynek on 35 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:38,400 a very good show we had some interesting 36 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:41,490 people call in and I'm sure you'll 37 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:44,130 really enjoy it that's for subscribers 38 00:01:49,639 --> 00:01:46,890 it's as a podcast and anyone can watch 39 00:01:51,499 --> 00:01:49,649 that on YouTube so go check it out and 40 00:01:53,929 --> 00:01:51,509 that was done last Friday and it's up on 41 00:01:55,940 --> 00:01:53,939 YouTube again and for subscribers and 42 00:01:58,429 --> 00:01:55,950 that's enough I do want to thank 43 00:02:01,190 --> 00:01:58,439 everyone that helps out the show and we 44 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:01,200 are ready to roll Alejandro how are you 45 00:02:06,709 --> 00:02:03,930 hello hello how are you this week 46 00:02:09,169 --> 00:02:06,719 very good that's so cool that you got 47 00:02:11,479 --> 00:02:09,179 you know the gentlemen from the fighter 48 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:11,489 pilot podcast in fact I've got a link on 49 00:02:18,260 --> 00:02:13,770 the front page of my website to that 50 00:02:20,300 --> 00:02:18,270 caste so ya know I was can check that 51 00:02:22,100 --> 00:02:20,310 out that someone sent that to me and I 52 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:22,110 was fascinated and I was very thrilled 53 00:02:27,530 --> 00:02:24,930 that Vincent was you know what come on 54 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:27,540 the show so to talk about it because I 55 00:02:32,570 --> 00:02:29,490 would say you know he's righteously a 56 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:32,580 skeptic but he was you know were 57 00:02:37,330 --> 00:02:35,010 fascinated enough to get in touch with 58 00:02:39,350 --> 00:02:37,340 David forever who he actually knew and 59 00:02:41,030 --> 00:02:39,360 interview him another really great 60 00:02:41,780 --> 00:02:41,040 interview I'm glad you have that posted 61 00:02:45,710 --> 00:02:41,790 it's a good one 62 00:02:48,770 --> 00:02:45,720 I'm dying to know what he thinks of 63 00:02:51,470 --> 00:02:48,780 braver - this is so exciting that you 64 00:02:53,420 --> 00:02:51,480 have them on just because it interesting 65 00:02:58,850 --> 00:02:53,430 to know I mean flavor is certainly very 66 00:03:02,240 --> 00:02:58,860 credible his case is very compelling you 67 00:03:04,820 --> 00:03:02,250 know he was a commander so and of course 68 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:04,830 all the other people his colleagues who 69 00:03:08,810 --> 00:03:07,410 also witnessed all this event them it's 70 00:03:11,390 --> 00:03:08,820 interesting to know you know what their 71 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:11,400 colleagues think of all of this so yeah 72 00:03:20,870 --> 00:03:18,000 yeah exciting right no news no you and I 73 00:03:23,180 --> 00:03:20,880 have oh oh yeah so I was pausing to make 74 00:03:29,300 --> 00:03:23,190 sure I had the okay to continue on with 75 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:29,310 UFO news so yeah again you know we've 76 00:03:36,140 --> 00:03:32,570 got a story today from a Pennsylvania 77 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:36,150 Penn Live called Pennsylvanian spotted 78 00:03:43,970 --> 00:03:41,130 UFOs 77 times in 2018 did aliens visit 79 00:03:46,310 --> 00:03:43,980 your town kind of like the last parts of 80 00:03:48,470 --> 00:03:46,320 course a little goofy but the point here 81 00:03:51,410 --> 00:03:48,480 is yet again we keep seeing these 82 00:03:52,699 --> 00:03:51,420 stories popping up you know I think just 83 00:03:54,980 --> 00:03:52,709 last week there was one a hundred 84 00:03:57,350 --> 00:03:54,990 sightings in New York I think it was in 85 00:03:59,810 --> 00:03:57,360 New York it was not a New York Times but 86 00:04:01,610 --> 00:03:59,820 another New York paper and we're seeing 87 00:04:04,010 --> 00:04:01,620 these pop up all over the place 88 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:04,020 they're referencing the national UFO 89 00:04:09,410 --> 00:04:07,050 Reporting Center however they are 90 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:09,420 inspired to write about all this because 91 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:13,890 of Project Blue Book and a TV show so I 92 00:04:20,599 --> 00:04:16,410 mean it's just really creating a lot of 93 00:04:22,969 --> 00:04:20,609 attention everywhere about you know UFOs 94 00:04:24,770 --> 00:04:22,979 and I think that it's just really 95 00:04:27,110 --> 00:04:24,780 interesting I think this phenomenon you 96 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:27,120 know of this show kind of hope 97 00:04:33,500 --> 00:04:30,810 people's eyes to that to the fact that 98 00:04:35,060 --> 00:04:33,510 you know even scientific investigators 99 00:04:37,189 --> 00:04:35,070 inside the Air Force felt that there was 100 00:04:40,460 --> 00:04:37,199 something to the phenomena is really 101 00:04:43,070 --> 00:04:40,470 eye-opening to people along with of 102 00:04:44,870 --> 00:04:43,080 course this information that there were 103 00:04:46,730 --> 00:04:44,880 pilots as well that had their own 104 00:04:48,530 --> 00:04:46,740 sightings and there's some stuff in the 105 00:04:51,770 --> 00:04:48,540 news regarding some of that or at least 106 00:04:53,390 --> 00:04:51,780 related stuff as well so yeah so that's 107 00:04:55,430 --> 00:04:53,400 the pennsylvania paper i just pointed 108 00:04:57,409 --> 00:04:55,440 that out for for mainly for that reason 109 00:05:01,070 --> 00:04:57,419 that we keep getting these people 110 00:05:04,820 --> 00:05:01,080 looking into this you know project 111 00:05:06,740 --> 00:05:04,830 Bluebook you know series has really 112 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:06,750 stirred up a buzz in the UFO field 113 00:05:11,629 --> 00:05:08,449 community in the east 114 00:05:13,730 --> 00:05:11,639 it really has well and now we know that 115 00:05:16,070 --> 00:05:13,740 it's stirring up a buzz everywhere else 116 00:05:19,159 --> 00:05:16,080 yeah in the well this is what's funny 117 00:05:21,379 --> 00:05:19,169 because it general public we have you 118 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:21,389 know they're they're very positive you 119 00:05:25,820 --> 00:05:23,490 know about the credibility of UFOs and 120 00:05:27,260 --> 00:05:25,830 they reference the pentagon project and 121 00:05:29,390 --> 00:05:27,270 you know they're treating it very 122 00:05:33,409 --> 00:05:29,400 seriously but then when you look at 123 00:05:34,940 --> 00:05:33,419 let's say a UFO blog or a UFO forum you 124 00:05:38,750 --> 00:05:34,950 know all the you a lot of the hardcore 125 00:05:40,940 --> 00:05:38,760 UFO researchers are upset and you know 126 00:05:42,379 --> 00:05:40,950 oh it's not accurate but it they've just 127 00:05:44,150 --> 00:05:42,389 gotten so negative it's like and i think 128 00:05:46,129 --> 00:05:44,160 that they like having their own niche 129 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:46,139 they don't get excited about the 130 00:05:51,290 --> 00:05:48,240 mainstream looking into the topic maybe 131 00:05:53,570 --> 00:05:51,300 they feel territorial or i mean for me 132 00:05:55,850 --> 00:05:53,580 you know as a journalist and a writer i 133 00:05:57,439 --> 00:05:55,860 would rather have the mainstream looking 134 00:05:59,029 --> 00:05:57,449 into it so we have more credibility more 135 00:06:01,339 --> 00:05:59,039 resources to look into what might be 136 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:01,349 going on but it's a really funny 137 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:03,090 phenomena but we almost got this really 138 00:06:07,339 --> 00:06:05,010 with the pentagon project as well in 139 00:06:09,290 --> 00:06:07,349 lieu Elizondo because you would think oh 140 00:06:11,659 --> 00:06:09,300 wow people are excited look the pentagon 141 00:06:13,430 --> 00:06:11,669 has this project lou Elizondo used to 142 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:13,440 run it wants to come out and and help 143 00:06:17,540 --> 00:06:15,810 investigate UFO sightings but no they 144 00:06:21,379 --> 00:06:17,550 get all upset know he's got to be lying 145 00:06:23,719 --> 00:06:21,389 he's got to be full of it and so it is 146 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:23,729 there is this weird kind of disconnect 147 00:06:28,550 --> 00:06:25,110 and i think they're really losing the 148 00:06:30,140 --> 00:06:28,560 point in that you know what they're you 149 00:06:32,150 --> 00:06:30,150 know pet project is or what they're most 150 00:06:34,790 --> 00:06:32,160 enthusiastic about it's becoming much 151 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:34,800 more mainstream and popular and easier 152 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:37,530 for people to to digest which is pretty 153 00:06:40,650 --> 00:06:39,810 exciting I think I wonder if that's part 154 00:06:44,610 --> 00:06:40,660 of it 155 00:06:48,270 --> 00:06:44,620 as part of the the I don't want to say 156 00:06:49,830 --> 00:06:48,280 anger or whatever it is the negativity 157 00:06:52,620 --> 00:06:49,840 out out there is that it's becoming 158 00:06:55,860 --> 00:06:52,630 mainstream and like they you know it's 159 00:06:57,930 --> 00:06:55,870 too mainstream for them or I guess I 160 00:07:00,060 --> 00:06:57,940 don't know I don't completely have it 161 00:07:01,650 --> 00:07:00,070 figured out either you know one of us I 162 00:07:04,620 --> 00:07:01,660 think what we have to do and there are 163 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:04,630 people sociologists and psychologists 164 00:07:08,310 --> 00:07:06,490 who are interested in this bill maybe we 165 00:07:12,260 --> 00:07:08,320 need to talk to them and see if they can 166 00:07:14,790 --> 00:07:12,270 examine and what this phenomena is yeah 167 00:07:16,230 --> 00:07:14,800 you know there is some news related to 168 00:07:20,100 --> 00:07:16,240 that as well because some people are 169 00:07:23,930 --> 00:07:20,110 skeptical that the group that Elizondo 170 00:07:28,170 --> 00:07:23,940 worked for the advanced aerospace 171 00:07:30,060 --> 00:07:28,180 identification program what doesn't 172 00:07:32,310 --> 00:07:30,070 really exist or at least they didn't do 173 00:07:34,860 --> 00:07:32,320 what Elizondo did in that elizondo's 174 00:07:37,710 --> 00:07:34,870 lying or misrepresenting all of that and 175 00:07:40,110 --> 00:07:37,720 we do have some documents that just came 176 00:07:42,330 --> 00:07:40,120 out recently they came out to the 177 00:07:45,330 --> 00:07:42,340 Federation of American scientists and 178 00:07:48,380 --> 00:07:45,340 also to Nick Pope who did FOIA request 179 00:07:51,750 --> 00:07:48,390 for more information about a tip and 180 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:51,760 they did get some information so these 181 00:07:56,850 --> 00:07:54,490 documents list the products that were 182 00:07:59,340 --> 00:07:56,860 produced by a tip and the products being 183 00:08:03,180 --> 00:07:59,350 in this case the papers that came out of 184 00:08:07,830 --> 00:08:03,190 it the papers are mostly along the lines 185 00:08:11,610 --> 00:08:07,840 of theoretical science around propulsion 186 00:08:14,310 --> 00:08:11,620 systems such as warp drive stargates 187 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:14,320 this sort of thing and and the potential 188 00:08:21,810 --> 00:08:20,110 for these sorts of things but so they're 189 00:08:24,810 --> 00:08:21,820 interesting documents none of them 190 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:24,820 reference UFOs but it is interesting 191 00:08:30,020 --> 00:08:26,710 that at least in the document it does 192 00:08:34,260 --> 00:08:30,030 kind of list it separately as advanced 193 00:08:36,719 --> 00:08:34,270 aerospace threat and identification 194 00:08:38,790 --> 00:08:36,729 which of course Lou Elizondo has said 195 00:08:41,969 --> 00:08:38,800 that part of that program was not just 196 00:08:44,550 --> 00:08:41,979 to theorize but also to try to identify 197 00:08:48,390 --> 00:08:44,560 these unknowns many of which of course 198 00:08:52,020 --> 00:08:48,400 Lou Phil's were unidentified including 199 00:08:54,580 --> 00:08:52,030 one of those being the case it in 2004 200 00:08:56,769 --> 00:08:54,590 with an image two Carrier Strike Group 201 00:08:58,630 --> 00:08:56,779 which which you all are about to talk 202 00:09:00,970 --> 00:08:58,640 about that being the main case we know 203 00:09:03,220 --> 00:09:00,980 about in fact we know very little to 204 00:09:05,380 --> 00:09:03,230 nothing about any other case except for 205 00:09:09,610 --> 00:09:05,390 the Nimitz when a tip had looked at and 206 00:09:11,560 --> 00:09:09,620 determined to be something unusual so I 207 00:09:14,650 --> 00:09:11,570 mean it's just further confirmation that 208 00:09:17,260 --> 00:09:14,660 this organization did indeed exist that 209 00:09:20,019 --> 00:09:17,270 it could possibly and according to Lou 210 00:09:22,420 --> 00:09:20,029 it does exist to this day and they're 211 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:22,430 continuing this sort of work which of 212 00:09:27,490 --> 00:09:25,130 course is surprising because we never 213 00:09:29,079 --> 00:09:27,500 knew that before we were always told for 214 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:29,089 decades that the government has no 215 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:31,250 interest in the UFO phenomena and here 216 00:09:35,650 --> 00:09:33,110 we have a Pentagon program was going on 217 00:09:37,990 --> 00:09:35,660 even with people we had talked to even 218 00:09:41,290 --> 00:09:38,000 with people we had interviewed and we 219 00:09:43,810 --> 00:09:41,300 didn't even know that was happening so 220 00:09:45,460 --> 00:09:43,820 and I was even managing PR for a project 221 00:09:47,050 --> 00:09:45,470 that was being funded by this and I 222 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:47,060 didn't even know that when I was with 223 00:09:52,870 --> 00:09:49,730 MUFON so it's an extraordinary situation 224 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:52,880 and here again you know projects like 225 00:09:58,060 --> 00:09:54,770 Elizondo and him coming out and flavor 226 00:10:01,750 --> 00:09:58,070 coming out has really opened the door to 227 00:10:04,420 --> 00:10:01,760 the media being more accepting of and 228 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:04,430 taking this whole thing very seriously 229 00:10:10,150 --> 00:10:07,370 and also people in the aerospace 230 00:10:12,550 --> 00:10:10,160 industry taking it more seriously people 231 00:10:14,890 --> 00:10:12,560 like Tiger rogue away who you're gonna 232 00:10:18,610 --> 00:10:14,900 interview it you know defense writer he 233 00:10:21,940 --> 00:10:18,620 writes about advanced technology that is 234 00:10:23,500 --> 00:10:21,950 known but he I'm feeling more open to 235 00:10:25,780 --> 00:10:23,510 being able to talk about this flavor 236 00:10:28,270 --> 00:10:25,790 being all over the place and then you 237 00:10:31,270 --> 00:10:28,280 know your guest tonight I'm not sure and 238 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:31,280 maybe you could ask if he would have 239 00:10:36,190 --> 00:10:34,010 been as forthcoming or wanting to even 240 00:10:40,540 --> 00:10:36,200 talk about talk on some weird guys 241 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:40,550 podcast about UFOs you know if it hadn't 242 00:10:44,650 --> 00:10:42,890 been for like flavor and some of these 243 00:10:47,140 --> 00:10:44,660 other credible people with military 244 00:10:48,310 --> 00:10:47,150 backgrounds coming out and and finally 245 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:48,320 revealing that you know they've had 246 00:10:52,510 --> 00:10:50,450 these experiences and they believe there 247 00:10:55,449 --> 00:10:52,520 is a mystery here right right 248 00:10:57,820 --> 00:10:55,459 you know I've I've said you know many 249 00:10:59,320 --> 00:10:57,830 times that I I don't think there's any 250 00:11:01,780 --> 00:10:59,330 part of our government that actually 251 00:11:04,660 --> 00:11:01,790 knows actually what it is do you feel 252 00:11:07,930 --> 00:11:04,670 this the same way about that I mean that 253 00:11:08,530 --> 00:11:07,940 just it's hard to say and I think you do 254 00:11:11,710 --> 00:11:08,540 make a good 255 00:11:13,990 --> 00:11:11,720 we have of course John Alexander who was 256 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:14,000 in army intelligence and and he got 257 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:15,770 together a group of people and 258 00:11:20,710 --> 00:11:17,810 intelligence who also believed that UFOs 259 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:20,720 posed a real mystery they went looking 260 00:11:25,030 --> 00:11:23,090 for the secret keepers and they didn't 261 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:25,040 find any and essentially what they found 262 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:27,170 which maybe I think you should bring up 263 00:11:32,170 --> 00:11:29,810 tonight is that people don't want to 264 00:11:34,150 --> 00:11:32,180 report anything just like in this report 265 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:34,160 that came out about Nimet freighter and 266 00:11:39,070 --> 00:11:37,010 the pilots when they got back to the 267 00:11:41,830 --> 00:11:39,080 aircraft carrier they were made fun of 268 00:11:44,980 --> 00:11:41,840 people there the intelligence debriefing 269 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:44,990 guys had tinfoil hats on other people 270 00:11:49,570 --> 00:11:47,090 that tinfoil hats made fun of them you 271 00:11:51,910 --> 00:11:49,580 know there was even it was expressed 272 00:11:54,100 --> 00:11:51,920 some you know real frustration at the 273 00:11:56,380 --> 00:11:54,110 ridicule that they faced and so they 274 00:11:58,570 --> 00:11:56,390 don't want to report these things so 275 00:12:01,780 --> 00:11:58,580 that would and so that's what Alexander 276 00:12:03,430 --> 00:12:01,790 says is it more kind of a conspiracy of 277 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:03,440 incompetence it's not really that 278 00:12:07,540 --> 00:12:05,330 they're hiding secrets is that they're 279 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:07,550 just not organized enough or willing 280 00:12:13,420 --> 00:12:09,530 enough to take a strong look at this on 281 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:13,430 the flip side we have documents that 282 00:12:17,830 --> 00:12:15,650 we've known to have had you know I've 283 00:12:20,380 --> 00:12:17,840 got a video out on this on open minds TV 284 00:12:21,580 --> 00:12:20,390 about military secrecy and UFOs so we 285 00:12:23,980 --> 00:12:21,590 have these documents where they're 286 00:12:26,110 --> 00:12:23,990 looking at UFOs they're sending the 287 00:12:28,090 --> 00:12:26,120 they're flagging them with their wrists 288 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:28,100 you know these flags that essentially 289 00:12:32,020 --> 00:12:30,410 say this needs to go to the leadership 290 00:12:33,010 --> 00:12:32,030 we need to take a serious look at these 291 00:12:35,260 --> 00:12:33,020 cases 292 00:12:37,090 --> 00:12:35,270 paul-dean for instance is a researcher 293 00:12:38,860 --> 00:12:37,100 out of Australia who's followed where 294 00:12:41,050 --> 00:12:38,870 these documents have gone and they've 295 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:41,060 gone to departments that are not 296 00:12:45,820 --> 00:12:43,970 well-known that close and open up under 297 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:45,830 a different name so at least there's 298 00:12:50,410 --> 00:12:48,410 somebody that was looking at these how 299 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:50,420 seriously were they taking it was it a 300 00:12:54,940 --> 00:12:52,250 group like a tip that didn't have a lot 301 00:12:57,330 --> 00:12:54,950 of resources that maybe were able to 302 00:13:00,130 --> 00:12:57,340 examine them and write up some reports 303 00:13:01,660 --> 00:13:00,140 that's probably most likely what they 304 00:13:02,530 --> 00:13:01,670 did which is more along the lines of 305 00:13:04,510 --> 00:13:02,540 what you're talking about 306 00:13:06,370 --> 00:13:04,520 they took these reports they looked at 307 00:13:08,230 --> 00:13:06,380 emceed saw what they could glean for 308 00:13:10,690 --> 00:13:08,240 them can't really figure anything out 309 00:13:12,610 --> 00:13:10,700 and that's about it but of course some 310 00:13:13,780 --> 00:13:12,620 people believe that there's somebody 311 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:13,790 somewhere that we're taking these 312 00:13:19,510 --> 00:13:16,130 reports and then also you know 313 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:19,520 uncovering major secrets and and keeping 314 00:13:22,420 --> 00:13:21,650 hurting people to make sure that they 315 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:22,430 stay quiet 316 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:25,370 or even you know housing aliens and 317 00:13:29,290 --> 00:13:27,170 bunkers underground or something like 318 00:13:32,260 --> 00:13:29,300 that I don't think really we have any 319 00:13:35,079 --> 00:13:32,270 evidence of that even with this recent 320 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:35,089 Bob Lazar you know documentary we have 321 00:13:41,949 --> 00:13:39,649 anecdotal stories from from people some 322 00:13:43,690 --> 00:13:41,959 of whom are somewhat cret seem somewhat 323 00:13:46,810 --> 00:13:43,700 credible but don't really have any 324 00:13:49,570 --> 00:13:46,820 evidence to back that up so at least for 325 00:13:52,630 --> 00:13:49,580 me the scenario that you're expressing 326 00:13:55,210 --> 00:13:52,640 that Alexander even talks about is 327 00:13:57,130 --> 00:13:55,220 probably more accurate that there could 328 00:13:59,860 --> 00:13:57,140 be some reports going on some 329 00:14:03,400 --> 00:13:59,870 examination of reports but no you know 330 00:14:05,740 --> 00:14:03,410 major discovery or hanger with UFOs or 331 00:14:08,889 --> 00:14:05,750 and aliens or something like that 332 00:14:12,370 --> 00:14:08,899 right one of the things that I'm gonna 333 00:14:14,460 --> 00:14:12,380 bring up tonight is the know you're very 334 00:14:17,290 --> 00:14:14,470 well aware of this is the chapter that 335 00:14:19,650 --> 00:14:17,300 from the Air Force Academy out of the 336 00:14:23,860 --> 00:14:19,660 physics book that talks about UFOs that 337 00:14:25,750 --> 00:14:23,870 J Allen Hynek gave to Lee Spiegel and so 338 00:14:29,949 --> 00:14:25,760 I put a copy up there's a copy on the 339 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:29,959 podcast UFO comm PDF anyone can check 340 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:33,250 out their 13 pages talks about UFOs and 341 00:14:38,079 --> 00:14:35,810 once he started to make that public it 342 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:38,089 was removed from the book or the book 343 00:14:43,329 --> 00:14:41,330 was removed from now okay you it's not 344 00:14:45,010 --> 00:14:43,339 how it this story goes what the but 345 00:14:46,990 --> 00:14:45,020 you're a long they seems like something 346 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:47,000 was changed yeah so what had happened 347 00:14:49,900 --> 00:14:48,770 that book was separate so that book 348 00:14:51,850 --> 00:14:49,910 you're right it is really interesting 349 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:51,860 there were several versions of this 350 00:14:56,100 --> 00:14:53,810 chapter in this physics book that was 351 00:14:59,110 --> 00:14:56,110 taught at the Air Force Academy about 352 00:15:01,449 --> 00:14:59,120 UFOs and it even speculated that perhaps 353 00:15:06,100 --> 00:15:01,459 we've been visited for thousands of 354 00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:06,110 years speculating that you know UFOs may 355 00:15:09,579 --> 00:15:08,000 be here from other planets to check us 356 00:15:12,010 --> 00:15:09,589 out doing this or that so a lot of 357 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:12,020 speculation in this chapter which is 358 00:15:17,829 --> 00:15:15,770 really interesting and the Air Force 359 00:15:20,380 --> 00:15:17,839 Academy is in Colorado Springs 360 00:15:21,940 --> 00:15:20,390 well the Denver Post got a hold of the 361 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:21,950 fact that they were they had this 362 00:15:27,430 --> 00:15:24,649 chapter in there it was about 1970 so 363 00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:27,440 about a year after Project Blue Book 364 00:15:31,329 --> 00:15:30,140 closed and so there was a lot of 365 00:15:33,190 --> 00:15:31,339 scrutiny people like what are you 366 00:15:35,230 --> 00:15:33,200 teaching this weird stuff about UFOs at 367 00:15:36,370 --> 00:15:35,240 the Air Force Academy so that's when 368 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:36,380 they pulled that 369 00:15:40,660 --> 00:15:38,570 turn the leaf Spiegel thing is 370 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:40,670 interesting though and it does go back 371 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:42,290 to what we were talking about earlier 372 00:15:47,350 --> 00:15:45,170 the leaf Spiegel thing was he was going 373 00:15:49,540 --> 00:15:47,360 to do an article about how the air force 374 00:15:52,420 --> 00:15:49,550 reports UFOs and that they are reporting 375 00:15:55,150 --> 00:15:52,430 UFOs and they flag him with these well 376 00:15:57,370 --> 00:15:55,160 that there's this section that was in 377 00:15:58,930 --> 00:15:57,380 the Gienapp document it was also in the 378 00:16:02,890 --> 00:15:58,940 air force documents that said here's how 379 00:16:03,550 --> 00:16:02,900 you report UFOs well when we first went 380 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:03,560 there 381 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:06,170 you know John Greenwald from Project 382 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:07,850 Blue Book showed him where to go to see 383 00:16:11,950 --> 00:16:10,490 these files they were there he started 384 00:16:15,700 --> 00:16:11,960 writing his story for the Huffington 385 00:16:17,500 --> 00:16:15,710 Post and then when he went back just a 386 00:16:20,500 --> 00:16:17,510 couple days later they were gone that's 387 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:20,510 right and that's yeah and in the 388 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:22,490 meantime he had you know called up the 389 00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:24,490 Air Force for comment about these files 390 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:27,440 I he then called him back and said where 391 00:16:31,090 --> 00:16:29,450 did those go and they said oh we were 392 00:16:33,010 --> 00:16:31,100 cleaning out the files and that was just 393 00:16:35,500 --> 00:16:33,020 something so either it was a huge 394 00:16:40,330 --> 00:16:35,510 coincidence or you know his inquiries 395 00:16:42,940 --> 00:16:40,340 did have a an effect but one really 396 00:16:44,530 --> 00:16:42,950 important thing is that and this is all 397 00:16:46,870 --> 00:16:44,540 in our video actually that I was just 398 00:16:49,180 --> 00:16:46,880 referencing is that what it was replaced 399 00:16:54,090 --> 00:16:49,190 by what is in its place are a different 400 00:16:58,300 --> 00:16:54,100 set of instructions for for submitting 401 00:17:00,550 --> 00:16:58,310 important intelligence sightings of 402 00:17:02,740 --> 00:17:00,560 other things it doesn't specify UFOs in 403 00:17:04,990 --> 00:17:02,750 this document and it's called a prep 404 00:17:09,130 --> 00:17:05,000 it's a different level of a prep 405 00:17:12,189 --> 00:17:09,140 reporting and that actually is what they 406 00:17:17,050 --> 00:17:12,199 use to report UFOs and there are opera 407 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:17,060 propor 2004 different UFO researchers to 408 00:17:23,260 --> 00:17:20,329 look for these opera flagged unknowns 409 00:17:26,410 --> 00:17:23,270 and sure enough through FOIA there have 410 00:17:30,820 --> 00:17:26,420 been you know a few found especially UFO 411 00:17:32,470 --> 00:17:30,830 sightings over nuclear facilities where 412 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:32,480 these they don't know what they are or 413 00:17:37,540 --> 00:17:35,210 others where you do have the reasonably 414 00:17:39,580 --> 00:17:37,550 UFO reports that we're escalated we 415 00:17:42,580 --> 00:17:39,590 don't know what happened to them but 416 00:17:44,790 --> 00:17:42,590 they still used that operação system 417 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:44,800 that did indeed replace that Jay Knapp 418 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:48,770 146 set of instructions that were older 419 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:50,330 well I'm so glad 420 00:17:56,350 --> 00:17:51,890 set that straight because guess who's 421 00:17:57,370 --> 00:17:56,360 listening who just text me Lee ha ha so 422 00:18:01,240 --> 00:17:57,380 if there's anything you want to say to 423 00:18:03,370 --> 00:18:01,250 him feel free to leave good work buddy 424 00:18:05,799 --> 00:18:03,380 he's always doing some awesome work so 425 00:18:08,139 --> 00:18:05,809 right right good work on that dude yeah 426 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:08,149 alejandro thank you so much and we'll be 427 00:18:12,250 --> 00:18:10,370 talking you next week all right 428 00:18:14,860 --> 00:18:12,260 pleasure talk to you later all right 429 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:14,870 take care all right everyone our guest 430 00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:15,970 tonight 431 00:18:23,620 --> 00:18:20,320 Vincent yellow he became enamored with 432 00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:23,630 aviation while attending an airshow at a 433 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:26,240 very young age eight years old and so 434 00:18:33,639 --> 00:18:29,450 that was his goal to become a pilot he 435 00:18:35,769 --> 00:18:33,649 has flown mostly the fa-18 Hornet and 436 00:18:39,129 --> 00:18:35,779 super hornet which is like a rocket 437 00:18:42,129 --> 00:18:39,139 strapped to your back f-16 Fighting 438 00:18:44,379 --> 00:18:42,139 Falcon and he was also a Top Gun 439 00:18:46,930 --> 00:18:44,389 instructor and an Air Wing operations 440 00:18:49,710 --> 00:18:46,940 officer now he has fighter pilot 441 00:18:51,399 --> 00:18:49,720 podcasts which is very well listen to 442 00:18:53,710 --> 00:18:51,409 podcasts we're gonna be talking a little 443 00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:53,720 bit about that but also about his recent 444 00:18:57,100 --> 00:18:54,320 interview 445 00:18:58,990 --> 00:18:57,110 welcome to the show Vincent Thank You 446 00:19:01,509 --> 00:18:59,000 Martin if it's my pleasure to be here 447 00:19:04,180 --> 00:19:01,519 yes I appreciate the fact that you would 448 00:19:06,970 --> 00:19:04,190 actually come on a UFO show and now 449 00:19:09,580 --> 00:19:06,980 currently you're a commercial pilot and 450 00:19:11,940 --> 00:19:09,590 that that I want to tell you a story 451 00:19:14,769 --> 00:19:11,950 real quickly I have told it on this this 452 00:19:17,740 --> 00:19:14,779 show quite a while ago because it was 453 00:19:19,930 --> 00:19:17,750 about a year ago or so I was I was 454 00:19:23,379 --> 00:19:19,940 flying on I think it was United Airlines 455 00:19:24,759 --> 00:19:23,389 and there was a gentleman I started 456 00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:24,769 talking we had a great conversation and 457 00:19:30,100 --> 00:19:27,760 he ended up he was jump seating to 458 00:19:30,549 --> 00:19:30,110 another location I think that's what you 459 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:30,559 call it 460 00:19:35,950 --> 00:19:34,130 if I remember right and so he was a 461 00:19:41,950 --> 00:19:35,960 commercial pilot but he said he used to 462 00:19:43,659 --> 00:19:41,960 fly f-15s and and the conversation came 463 00:19:47,070 --> 00:19:43,669 up I asked him if he had heard anything 464 00:19:49,299 --> 00:19:47,080 about the Pentagon and researching UFOs 465 00:19:51,279 --> 00:19:49,309 you know a few months earlier I think it 466 00:19:54,669 --> 00:19:51,289 was uh February just after that first 467 00:19:55,899 --> 00:19:54,679 part of the fish last year and he said 468 00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:55,909 no I hadn't heard about it and then he 469 00:20:01,450 --> 00:19:57,919 turns to me and goes but I know they're 470 00:20:03,010 --> 00:20:01,460 real and I said well I said what what 471 00:20:03,700 --> 00:20:03,020 Vienna explained I just want to hear 472 00:20:06,940 --> 00:20:03,710 what you 473 00:20:09,580 --> 00:20:06,950 say and he said he was flying somewhere 474 00:20:12,279 --> 00:20:09,590 over the Midwest and all of a sudden he 475 00:20:15,220 --> 00:20:12,289 his he's his cockpit started getting 476 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:15,230 like a green light in it and he looked 477 00:20:18,970 --> 00:20:16,970 all around and behind him I don't know I 478 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:18,980 I know you don't call the the back seat 479 00:20:23,260 --> 00:20:21,770 or whoever they call that he I think he 480 00:20:24,909 --> 00:20:23,270 said he was asleep and I've heard that's 481 00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:24,919 impossible but you know maybe he was 482 00:20:31,539 --> 00:20:29,360 dozing off or whatever but he he didn't 483 00:20:33,159 --> 00:20:31,549 wake him up if that was the case it was 484 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:33,169 only him that saw it and then it got so 485 00:20:39,070 --> 00:20:35,330 bright that it filled his entire cockpit 486 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:39,080 and you know made him really scared and 487 00:20:44,919 --> 00:20:41,090 he called there was nothing you know 488 00:20:46,029 --> 00:20:44,929 nothing registered on radar but then he 489 00:20:48,639 --> 00:20:46,039 said it just shot off 490 00:20:51,070 --> 00:20:48,649 and so I I asked him if he'd be willing 491 00:20:54,279 --> 00:20:51,080 to talk about it even anonymously on a 492 00:20:56,860 --> 00:20:54,289 UFO show and he said no way he said no 493 00:21:00,010 --> 00:20:56,870 no not in my position so how do you feel 494 00:21:01,630 --> 00:21:00,020 your your commercial pilot now and you 495 00:21:03,060 --> 00:21:01,640 have no problem talking about UFOs are 496 00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:03,070 not worried about it in any type of way 497 00:21:08,529 --> 00:21:06,080 no I'm not because I personally have not 498 00:21:10,389 --> 00:21:08,539 had any experience with anything that 499 00:21:13,180 --> 00:21:10,399 I've seen while flying that I could not 500 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:13,190 identify I know there are people who 501 00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:16,730 have and so I became involved with this 502 00:21:21,610 --> 00:21:19,520 as you said earlier with my podcast when 503 00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:21,620 I interviewed commander flavor you know 504 00:21:26,019 --> 00:21:23,840 just like to add just for the sake of it 505 00:21:27,700 --> 00:21:26,029 the terminology so the jump seat is up 506 00:21:28,090 --> 00:21:27,710 in the cockpit with the actual pilots 507 00:21:32,409 --> 00:21:28,100 flying 508 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:32,419 here's most likely one all it took yeah 509 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:35,450 and I don't know if the Air Force calls 510 00:21:39,519 --> 00:21:37,130 the backseater a whizzo but that's what 511 00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:39,529 we call him and enough 18 the weapon 512 00:21:43,779 --> 00:21:41,600 systems operator and of course in an 513 00:21:47,649 --> 00:21:43,789 f-14 it was a real radar intercept 514 00:21:50,289 --> 00:21:47,659 officer and I you know Martin I am loath 515 00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:50,299 to say that anyone is wrong because I've 516 00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:53,120 not walked in their shoes but I will say 517 00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:56,240 that I've been drowsy in an airplane a 518 00:22:01,659 --> 00:21:58,850 military airplane I've never fallen 519 00:22:04,389 --> 00:22:01,669 asleep and if I were flying with a 520 00:22:06,399 --> 00:22:04,399 backseater who did doze off generally 521 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:06,409 any little thing that's different would 522 00:22:10,690 --> 00:22:07,970 usually startle them you don't sleep so 523 00:22:12,159 --> 00:22:10,700 deeply that you wouldn't come to if 524 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:12,169 something out of the ordinary happened I 525 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:15,290 think your body just almost requires it 526 00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,570 I I have some difficulty with that story 527 00:22:21,450 --> 00:22:19,520 yeah the fact that he is unwilling to 528 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:21,460 discuss it seems a little convenient 529 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:24,010 because maybe he was caught in a 530 00:22:30,190 --> 00:22:27,530 exaggeration but again I I've never had 531 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:30,200 such an experience so I'm not prepared 532 00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:32,450 to say that anyone who has is either 533 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:33,919 lying or hiding something or anything 534 00:22:40,780 --> 00:22:37,850 else now in general does I know you did 535 00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,790 this you did this podcast with David but 536 00:22:46,090 --> 00:22:43,280 in general does the topic of UFOs ever 537 00:22:49,450 --> 00:22:46,100 come up in the Academy or anywhere else 538 00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,460 is that ever discussed well I did not go 539 00:22:53,650 --> 00:22:51,440 to the Naval Academy so I can't speak to 540 00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:53,660 that I was a ROTC that's right 541 00:23:01,390 --> 00:22:58,610 midshipman at UCLA and I you know it 542 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:01,400 doesn't really come up because there's 543 00:23:07,419 --> 00:23:04,850 just no concrete discussion about it 544 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:07,429 that when it comes up with someone like 545 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:10,370 commander flavor then the answer is 546 00:23:16,270 --> 00:23:13,250 usually as it was stated earlier the tin 547 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:16,280 hats and the silliness because we are I 548 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:18,650 would categorize as a class of people 549 00:23:24,220 --> 00:23:21,890 fighter pilots and air crewmen we are 550 00:23:25,810 --> 00:23:24,230 used to being in control and knowing our 551 00:23:28,930 --> 00:23:25,820 environment and our surroundings and 552 00:23:31,390 --> 00:23:28,940 understanding what we're doing in a 553 00:23:33,580 --> 00:23:31,400 moment and when we can't understand it 554 00:23:37,299 --> 00:23:33,590 we've searched for defense mechanisms 555 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:37,309 like laughter or ridicule because how 556 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:39,650 else do we admit that there's confusion 557 00:23:46,510 --> 00:23:43,010 or uncertainty so that is in my opinion 558 00:23:48,730 --> 00:23:46,520 a very logical response to him because 559 00:23:49,270 --> 00:23:48,740 when he returned as I understand the 560 00:23:51,820 --> 00:23:49,280 situation 561 00:23:54,130 --> 00:23:51,830 he walked into what we call civic or the 562 00:23:56,289 --> 00:23:54,140 carrier Information Center and he told 563 00:23:58,180 --> 00:23:56,299 them what he saw and people didn't know 564 00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:58,190 what to do with that he didn't know what 565 00:24:03,610 --> 00:23:59,600 to do with it he was not sure what he 566 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:03,620 saw and so it's just like a person who 567 00:24:09,310 --> 00:24:07,090 nervously laughs when they are caught in 568 00:24:11,890 --> 00:24:09,320 well that's a bad example because again 569 00:24:14,020 --> 00:24:11,900 I'm not implying line but as a tick that 570 00:24:15,970 --> 00:24:14,030 people have during certain things that 571 00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:15,980 are happening maybe before a fight 572 00:24:20,140 --> 00:24:18,559 happens or you know people who laugh 573 00:24:22,060 --> 00:24:20,150 when they were really scared or 574 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:22,070 something else I think it's just a 575 00:24:27,730 --> 00:24:25,250 normal quote/unquote normal reaction for 576 00:24:29,019 --> 00:24:27,740 people in our line of business to make 577 00:24:31,749 --> 00:24:29,029 fun and ridicule 578 00:24:33,159 --> 00:24:31,759 and try to explain it away that way or 579 00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:33,169 maybe not even so much explain it away 580 00:24:37,209 --> 00:24:34,849 but but just deal with it that way 581 00:24:41,919 --> 00:24:37,219 because a lot of people just don't know 582 00:24:45,099 --> 00:24:41,929 how else to him sure if you were if you 583 00:24:47,499 --> 00:24:45,109 personally were flying yourself and 584 00:24:49,179 --> 00:24:47,509 actually saw something you couldn't 585 00:24:53,529 --> 00:24:49,189 understand what what would be the 586 00:24:56,889 --> 00:24:53,539 protocol what would what would you do if 587 00:24:59,799 --> 00:24:56,899 you saw something unusual well in my 588 00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:59,809 previous capacity as a military pilot I 589 00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:01,279 would try to make sure my tape recorder 590 00:25:07,179 --> 00:25:04,159 was on if I had a wingman I would search 591 00:25:08,679 --> 00:25:07,189 for justification from him maybe 592 00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:08,689 justification is not the right word but 593 00:25:14,139 --> 00:25:12,049 I would point out to my wingman when I 594 00:25:15,789 --> 00:25:14,149 was seen and what did he or she think it 595 00:25:17,489 --> 00:25:15,799 could be so that it could be 596 00:25:19,869 --> 00:25:17,499 corroborated maybe as a better word and 597 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:19,879 I would try to get whatever information 598 00:25:24,429 --> 00:25:22,849 I could but it's difficult to ask I 599 00:25:25,659 --> 00:25:24,439 should say it's not difficult to ask 600 00:25:28,089 --> 00:25:25,669 that it's difficult to answer that 601 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:28,099 because it's like asking people well 602 00:25:31,749 --> 00:25:30,049 what would you do in the face of a bully 603 00:25:33,789 --> 00:25:31,759 and we all say oh it's stand up to him 604 00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:33,799 and or I would do this or that and in 605 00:25:37,539 --> 00:25:35,329 reality when a fights about to happen 606 00:25:40,329 --> 00:25:37,549 people respond very differently the 607 00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,339 fight or flight response is real and so 608 00:25:43,869 --> 00:25:42,559 I would like to say that I'd be cool and 609 00:25:45,789 --> 00:25:43,879 do all the things I just did but in 610 00:25:48,729 --> 00:25:45,799 reality I might scream like a little 611 00:25:51,939 --> 00:25:48,739 girl and run the other way I don't know 612 00:25:53,409 --> 00:25:51,949 and in my current capacity as an airline 613 00:25:55,329 --> 00:25:53,419 pilot of course it'd be easy to just 614 00:25:57,969 --> 00:25:55,339 reach over to the captain in my case as 615 00:26:00,459 --> 00:25:57,979 a first officer and say do you see that 616 00:26:02,619 --> 00:26:00,469 what does that look like to you what hey 617 00:26:04,809 --> 00:26:02,629 hey air traffic control are you seeing 618 00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:04,819 anything next to us similar to the story 619 00:26:09,549 --> 00:26:08,089 your f-15 friend told you so it's hard 620 00:26:11,859 --> 00:26:09,559 to answer that but I'd like to think I'd 621 00:26:15,369 --> 00:26:11,869 be cool about it and what do you think 622 00:26:18,369 --> 00:26:15,379 about is there anything set in place to 623 00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:18,379 report something like that um that may 624 00:26:22,629 --> 00:26:20,569 not seem like a danger I know there's 625 00:26:24,099 --> 00:26:22,639 always a way to report a danger but 626 00:26:27,099 --> 00:26:24,109 something that may not seem like a 627 00:26:29,819 --> 00:26:27,109 danger that was unusual or would you 628 00:26:33,069 --> 00:26:29,829 tend to want to keep that to yourself oh 629 00:26:34,539 --> 00:26:33,079 I think I would be willing to report it 630 00:26:37,329 --> 00:26:34,549 regardless of the ridicule I would 631 00:26:39,099 --> 00:26:37,339 receive because in that line of work you 632 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:39,109 get ridiculed for almost anything and 633 00:26:44,970 --> 00:26:41,930 it's a little bit dog-eat-dog cutthroat 634 00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:44,980 and I have in the past on my podcast 635 00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:47,510 discussed why it is that we do that and 636 00:26:52,450 --> 00:26:50,270 I think frankly it's because we need to 637 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:52,460 hold each other to such high standards 638 00:26:56,290 --> 00:26:54,410 that it's just our way of kind of 639 00:26:58,930 --> 00:26:56,300 picking at each other once in a while or 640 00:27:00,400 --> 00:26:58,940 frankly all the time to see is there any 641 00:27:03,390 --> 00:27:00,410 weakness is there any chinks in the 642 00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,400 armor because it's it it's basically 643 00:27:08,860 --> 00:27:06,080 unacceptable when you are landing on the 644 00:27:11,470 --> 00:27:08,870 aircraft carrier at night in pitching 645 00:27:15,010 --> 00:27:11,480 and sees you have to be 100% on your 646 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:15,020 game no alibis no excuses no weaknesses 647 00:27:20,290 --> 00:27:18,650 no doubts and so in a situation like 648 00:27:22,060 --> 00:27:20,300 that I'd like to think that I would say 649 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:22,070 look this is what I saw I don't know 650 00:27:25,450 --> 00:27:24,170 what else to tell you you can tease me 651 00:27:26,890 --> 00:27:25,460 if you want because if it's not about 652 00:27:29,260 --> 00:27:26,900 this it'll be about something else in a 653 00:27:31,150 --> 00:27:29,270 few minutes so it just comes with the 654 00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:31,160 territory but yeah I'd like to think I 655 00:27:36,430 --> 00:27:34,640 would respond and and report yes okay 656 00:27:40,060 --> 00:27:36,440 well we're gonna go into our first break 657 00:27:42,820 --> 00:27:40,070 here and and we'll be right back so this 658 00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:42,830 is Martin Willis and my guest is Vincent 659 00:27:50,490 --> 00:27:45,200 uh yellow and we'll be right back right 660 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:53,080 all right gentlemen we're clear and 661 00:27:58,990 --> 00:27:55,130 there's four minutes of this break 662 00:28:00,730 --> 00:27:59,000 Martin got it okay thank you so let's 663 00:28:04,390 --> 00:28:00,740 say we'll talk about off topics during 664 00:28:07,980 --> 00:28:04,400 the the YouTube break here and okay and 665 00:28:12,820 --> 00:28:07,990 so I I can't imagine what it's like to 666 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:12,830 fly a Hornet or Super Hornet you know 667 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:14,810 like I said you know introducing it's 668 00:28:22,030 --> 00:28:17,450 like strapping a rocket to your back the 669 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:22,040 g-forces and all that what what does it 670 00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:25,010 take to get used to all that I mean it 671 00:28:29,530 --> 00:28:26,720 must be intense training for a long time 672 00:28:31,390 --> 00:28:29,540 it is now if you ever watch videos of 673 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:31,400 the Blue Angels when they take up the 674 00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:33,650 local reporter when they arrive at a 675 00:28:38,380 --> 00:28:36,320 location for an airshow the reporter 676 00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,390 generally gets sick yet always but a lot 677 00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:40,880 of them do and they don't tolerate the 678 00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:43,760 g-forces very well and I mention that 679 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:46,310 because it's nothing like that we crawl 680 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:49,250 walk run we start off with a low wing 681 00:28:54,010 --> 00:28:51,890 propeller trainer that we build maybe 682 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:54,020 100 hours of flight experience in and 683 00:28:57,310 --> 00:28:55,610 then we moved to Jets 684 00:28:59,860 --> 00:28:57,320 and then we begin to fight in the Jets 685 00:29:01,840 --> 00:28:59,870 doing aerobatic maneuvers and rolls and 686 00:29:03,820 --> 00:29:01,850 chasing each other around that we land 687 00:29:07,419 --> 00:29:03,830 on the carrier and then we move to in my 688 00:29:10,030 --> 00:29:07,429 case the f-18 and you don't just walk 689 00:29:12,669 --> 00:29:10,040 into it like anything you build a 690 00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:12,679 tolerance and in some ways that's a good 691 00:29:16,150 --> 00:29:14,510 thing like pulling G's and flying of 692 00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:16,160 course in other ways it can be a bad 693 00:29:18,970 --> 00:29:17,600 thing like people who build a tolerance 694 00:29:22,450 --> 00:29:18,980 to alcohol and need to drink more and 695 00:29:25,660 --> 00:29:22,460 more to get a buzz and so it it's just 696 00:29:26,650 --> 00:29:25,670 thankfully something that you get used 697 00:29:28,419 --> 00:29:26,660 to really 698 00:29:30,850 --> 00:29:28,429 what about simulator time is there a lot 699 00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:30,860 of that before you actually get get in 700 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:34,880 behind the stick yes the simulators are 701 00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:37,490 used to build procedural knowledge so 702 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:38,720 that when you get in the airplane you're 703 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:41,210 not Foundry around and wondering what to 704 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:42,850 do now 705 00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,370 so the course of training begins with 706 00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,559 self study and then academic instruction 707 00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:50,480 in a classroom and then simulators and 708 00:29:53,049 --> 00:29:51,710 then finally the airplane because by the 709 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:53,059 time you get there they don't want to 710 00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:54,530 waste everyone's time and the fuel in 711 00:29:59,799 --> 00:29:57,440 the range space to have someone fly 712 00:30:03,010 --> 00:29:59,809 who's not ready it's very convenient and 713 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:03,020 simple to practice in a simulator where 714 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:05,330 they can critique you if your procedures 715 00:30:09,250 --> 00:30:07,850 are not sound do they actually remind 716 00:30:12,340 --> 00:30:09,260 you of how much one of those babies 717 00:30:14,169 --> 00:30:12,350 costs a lot oh sure quite often I was 718 00:30:16,270 --> 00:30:14,179 always told that the f-18 Hornet was 719 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:16,280 thirty five million dollars so I tried 720 00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:19,850 to take that on scratch it art well as 721 00:30:24,460 --> 00:30:21,440 long as you don't scratch it for reasons 722 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:24,470 that you are messing something up you 723 00:30:27,610 --> 00:30:26,330 know on your own volition if you're 724 00:30:29,950 --> 00:30:27,620 following procedures and something 725 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:29,960 happens well that's then you're still 726 00:30:34,150 --> 00:30:31,490 you're still doing what you're supposed 727 00:30:38,830 --> 00:30:34,160 to be doing now is it classified that is 728 00:30:41,980 --> 00:30:38,840 a speed classified on those no no no 729 00:30:45,159 --> 00:30:41,990 well known that the f-18 is advertised 730 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:45,169 to do about mach 1.8 and I will tell you 731 00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:46,850 the only time I ever got close to that 732 00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:51,110 90 seconds is Mach 1.6 and that was in 733 00:30:55,570 --> 00:30:53,270 about a fifty or sixty degree dive with 734 00:30:57,610 --> 00:30:55,580 no pylons or external stores on the 735 00:31:00,880 --> 00:30:57,620 aircraft and I started about fifty 736 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:00,890 thousand feet and it was all I could to 737 00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:02,330 keep watching the earth get bigger and 738 00:31:05,620 --> 00:31:03,710 bigger thinking how fast is this thing 739 00:31:08,350 --> 00:31:05,630 really gonna go so it's a theoretical 740 00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:08,360 speed limit and what's what's more 741 00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:09,200 protected 742 00:31:14,050 --> 00:31:11,510 are some of the what they call energy 743 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:14,060 lines at different altitudes when they 744 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:15,770 compare them to other aircraft because 745 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:17,330 then you start to see advantages and 746 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:20,090 disadvantages and so you see some of the 747 00:31:23,860 --> 00:31:22,010 some of the more classified stuff there 748 00:31:27,820 --> 00:31:23,870 but otherwise it's pretty common that 749 00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:27,830 the f-18 will do 1.8 and I think an f-16 750 00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:29,480 will do in fact I know it'll do over 751 00:31:34,570 --> 00:31:32,480 Mach 2 amazing and I know the fuel 752 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:34,580 consumption I think they call it pounds 753 00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,650 instead of gallons but it just let it 754 00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:38,720 just click click click just going away 755 00:31:45,310 --> 00:31:41,510 it goes it's like being dumped out of a 756 00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:45,320 big old bucket that's right yeah yeah I 757 00:31:50,890 --> 00:31:47,510 think we're race we heading back into 758 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:50,900 the show we're almost there were about 759 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:52,730 10 seconds from bumper Mardon 760 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:55,690 ok alright well I think we're gonna be 761 00:32:06,550 --> 00:31:58,130 would be definitely ready on this end to 762 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:06,560 go alright alright stand by and I'll 763 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:19,630 all right here we go it all said yeah 764 00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:25,490 we're all right in five four three two 765 00:32:31,299 --> 00:32:29,360 all right welcome back this is Martin 766 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:31,309 Willis with podcast UFO and my guest is 767 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:33,850 Vincent Aiello and we're talking 768 00:32:40,990 --> 00:32:37,130 aviation and we're talking UFOs as well 769 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:41,000 and he was during the YouTube break he 770 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:42,530 was just telling me what it was like so 771 00:32:49,030 --> 00:32:45,890 getting back to speaking with David 772 00:32:51,490 --> 00:32:49,040 flavor you actually knew David before 773 00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:51,500 right and you would be part of some TV 774 00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:54,710 series or something yes he and I met in 775 00:33:03,370 --> 00:32:57,919 I want to say it was 2003 on the USS 776 00:33:05,950 --> 00:33:03,380 Nimitz and then between 2003 and 2005 we 777 00:33:07,539 --> 00:33:05,960 were in the same air wing both based at 778 00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:07,549 Naval Air Station Lemoore California 779 00:33:13,299 --> 00:33:10,640 just about 30 miles south of Fresno in 780 00:33:14,860 --> 00:33:13,309 the middle of the state and we would see 781 00:33:17,260 --> 00:33:14,870 each other around base but because of 782 00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:17,270 the rank difference he was a executive 783 00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:18,710 officer and then the commanding officer 784 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:20,960 and I was a rank or touble up behind I 785 00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:22,850 wouldn't say we were friends but we were 786 00:33:29,289 --> 00:33:25,760 acquaintances and I was on the carrier 787 00:33:31,390 --> 00:33:29,299 the day in November of 2004 when the 788 00:33:35,980 --> 00:33:31,400 episode happened off the coast of Mexico 789 00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:35,990 and on our deployment in 2005 that is 790 00:33:41,230 --> 00:33:39,200 when the PBS carrier TV crew came out 791 00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:41,240 and spent the entire deployment with us 792 00:33:45,580 --> 00:33:43,790 and followed a number of people around 793 00:33:47,409 --> 00:33:45,590 including some squadron mates of mine 794 00:33:49,570 --> 00:33:47,419 and commander framer 795 00:33:53,860 --> 00:33:49,580 now what do you think about that whole 796 00:33:56,590 --> 00:33:53,870 encounter and also David's story it's 797 00:33:58,330 --> 00:33:56,600 quite compelling what you're saying it 798 00:33:59,560 --> 00:33:58,340 is very compelling Martin and I will 799 00:34:02,950 --> 00:33:59,570 tell you that the answer to your first 800 00:34:05,620 --> 00:34:02,960 question is I don't know prior to that 801 00:34:07,659 --> 00:34:05,630 interview I would have done as I 802 00:34:10,419 --> 00:34:07,669 intimated earlier and probably just made 803 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:10,429 funds funny or a joke about whatever 804 00:34:16,180 --> 00:34:13,970 they thought they saw and I'll be blunt 805 00:34:19,540 --> 00:34:16,190 I thought anyone who believed in UFOs or 806 00:34:22,570 --> 00:34:19,550 at least outer space that vehicles you 807 00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:22,580 know coming into our atmosphere were 808 00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:26,000 just black wacky guys that just had an 809 00:34:30,810 --> 00:34:27,730 agenda or something else 810 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:30,820 and that attitude changed after my 811 00:34:36,839 --> 00:34:34,810 interview with Manor favor yeah yeah I'm 812 00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:36,849 because yeah we're having a little bit 813 00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:39,730 house guide issue here I'm sorry okay 814 00:34:44,010 --> 00:34:41,169 no problem so I didn't hear the last 815 00:34:46,020 --> 00:34:44,020 part of what you just said okay well I 816 00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:46,030 was saying that my preconceived notion 817 00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:48,730 had changed after my interview with 818 00:34:53,790 --> 00:34:52,000 commander framer because he did not fit 819 00:34:56,669 --> 00:34:53,800 the mold that I had built wrongly I 820 00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:56,679 would say of people who have these 821 00:35:02,730 --> 00:35:00,640 beliefs and when he told this story and 822 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:02,740 I asked him point-blank what do you 823 00:35:08,099 --> 00:35:04,690 think it is and he said I don't know it 824 00:35:09,450 --> 00:35:08,109 could be a super secret black project 825 00:35:11,069 --> 00:35:09,460 from the government or someone else's 826 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:11,079 government or it could be from outer 827 00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:11,650 space 828 00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:15,520 I decided that that is an interesting 829 00:35:22,589 --> 00:35:18,880 conundrum to be in because usually as 830 00:35:25,260 --> 00:35:22,599 fighter pilots and we like to know as I 831 00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:25,270 said earlier our surroundings and what 832 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:28,240 is real and what is not and I think it's 833 00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:29,890 a mystery to him and I don't know what 834 00:35:34,650 --> 00:35:31,990 to think either I should announce that 835 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:34,660 next week on this show we're having 836 00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,250 Robert Powell and the whole discussion 837 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:38,160 is going to be about the Nimitz and 838 00:35:43,380 --> 00:35:40,930 Nimitz encounter he's done some great 839 00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:43,390 research on that yeah I mean the 840 00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:46,990 description of the vehicles and then at 841 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:50,200 one time them seeing so many of them is 842 00:35:53,790 --> 00:35:52,450 just bizarre and they look just like tic 843 00:35:55,980 --> 00:35:53,800 tacs except they look like they had 844 00:35:59,490 --> 00:35:55,990 little antennas on them no no soars wing 845 00:36:03,750 --> 00:35:59,500 any type of wing or any type of visual 846 00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:03,760 or detected propulsion system and the 847 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:06,670 way that it just you know was in one 848 00:36:11,609 --> 00:36:08,650 spot and that instantly was in another 849 00:36:14,250 --> 00:36:11,619 spot and it's just so bizarre I mean if 850 00:36:17,339 --> 00:36:14,260 it's not if it's not from outer space 851 00:36:19,620 --> 00:36:17,349 you know whatever wherever it's from 852 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:19,630 it's it's bizarre whatever it is right 853 00:36:25,410 --> 00:36:22,510 and then what go ahead yeah 854 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:25,420 well I I found and in fact I used in his 855 00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:29,290 episode a little pre-roll snippet of his 856 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:31,359 discussion but I found that the part 857 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:33,130 that he said that it did not seem to 858 00:36:37,020 --> 00:36:35,050 comply with the laws of physics that we 859 00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,030 take for granted on earth to be very 860 00:36:41,310 --> 00:36:39,520 compelling and so that was part of what 861 00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:41,320 I used in the open 862 00:36:48,750 --> 00:36:44,320 bumper if you will and right yeah 863 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:48,760 yep and it's I I don't I don't know I 864 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:50,650 don't know but I do find it interesting 865 00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:55,450 that the aegis class cruiser that was 866 00:37:00,540 --> 00:36:58,210 there had been tracking these for a 867 00:37:02,370 --> 00:37:00,550 period of time and then that they were 868 00:37:04,350 --> 00:37:02,380 even out there after commander framers 869 00:37:07,170 --> 00:37:04,360 event when he landed his squadron mates 870 00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:07,180 went out right after that and so it's 871 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:10,030 not just again one person who might have 872 00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:11,890 an agenda or what's the notoriety or 873 00:37:17,550 --> 00:37:14,110 just thought it'd be funny to make 874 00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:17,560 something up there is evidence elsewhere 875 00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:19,390 but then you turn around and say well 876 00:37:24,750 --> 00:37:21,910 why is none of that evidence available 877 00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:24,760 anymore the Princeton's tapes the tapes 878 00:37:29,490 --> 00:37:26,950 from commander flavor i guess there is 879 00:37:32,340 --> 00:37:29,500 some imagery that might be from the off 880 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:32,350 coast of florida I guess in 2015 I'm not 881 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:34,450 totally sure where it came from but it 882 00:37:39,780 --> 00:37:38,050 it it is convenient I think to assume 883 00:37:42,540 --> 00:37:39,790 that maybe there is a cover-up or 884 00:37:45,090 --> 00:37:42,550 something else because information is 885 00:37:46,590 --> 00:37:45,100 misplaced but on the other hand I could 886 00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,600 make a case having lived a life that 887 00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:48,720 it's very difficult to keep track of 888 00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:51,040 various things even if they are 889 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:53,110 important because they get used by 890 00:37:56,220 --> 00:37:54,850 another aircrew in the case of the tapes 891 00:37:58,110 --> 00:37:56,230 he was trying to save he mentioned that 892 00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:58,120 in his interview that someone else might 893 00:38:01,020 --> 00:37:59,200 have taken them out and used them the 894 00:38:03,870 --> 00:38:01,030 next day and it just records over what 895 00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:03,880 was already there so it's hard to know 896 00:38:10,350 --> 00:38:06,640 it really is hard to know and how how 897 00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:10,360 unusual is that that they actually had 898 00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:12,910 them you know go out and check to see 899 00:38:17,820 --> 00:38:15,520 what it was is that a typical thing that 900 00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:17,830 would happen if they saw some unknown 901 00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:21,100 object in a certain area certainly 902 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:24,670 especially if we were deployed away from 903 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:27,490 our own shores so I would say that it is 904 00:38:31,860 --> 00:38:29,890 not uncommon but it is interesting that 905 00:38:35,460 --> 00:38:31,870 it was just 100 miles off the coast of 906 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:35,470 Mexico but if we are ever on deployment 907 00:38:40,620 --> 00:38:38,170 somewhere Martin and the world with a 908 00:38:44,610 --> 00:38:40,630 situation as it is today we don't always 909 00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,620 know who intends us harm that we have 910 00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:46,000 alerts that are ready and if there's 911 00:38:49,590 --> 00:38:47,440 something that people don't understand 912 00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:49,600 they will launch aircraft to go and 913 00:38:53,669 --> 00:38:52,569 identify what is out there I see I see 914 00:38:56,219 --> 00:38:53,679 one of the things that doesn't get 915 00:38:58,679 --> 00:38:56,229 brought up too much in people are 916 00:39:02,429 --> 00:38:58,689 talking about this case is that people 917 00:39:04,859 --> 00:39:02,439 have seen things like this for a long 918 00:39:07,319 --> 00:39:04,869 long time it's not it's not something 919 00:39:09,269 --> 00:39:07,329 you know when a a number of people will 920 00:39:11,609 --> 00:39:09,279 say hey look you know this is could be 921 00:39:13,529 --> 00:39:11,619 some experimental craft well that's fine 922 00:39:15,749 --> 00:39:13,539 well what about 50 years ago when they 923 00:39:18,059 --> 00:39:15,759 were seeing you know almost identical 924 00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:18,069 type things happening you know I mean 925 00:39:21,870 --> 00:39:20,140 that that's where it gets even more of a 926 00:39:24,449 --> 00:39:21,880 mystery and that's what keeps me doing 927 00:39:26,309 --> 00:39:24,459 this show it's it's a mystery I agree 928 00:39:27,959 --> 00:39:26,319 because it would be very convenient if 929 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:27,969 we could look at something from 50 years 930 00:39:32,999 --> 00:39:30,089 ago and say oh that turned out to be the 931 00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:33,009 f-117 right right 932 00:39:39,630 --> 00:39:36,880 I don't that's true and again you never 933 00:39:41,699 --> 00:39:39,640 really know what motives people have or 934 00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:41,709 what is incentivizing them to either 935 00:39:46,589 --> 00:39:43,569 report something or to not report 936 00:39:48,179 --> 00:39:46,599 something as the case may be and I do 937 00:39:52,109 --> 00:39:48,189 know that there are different 938 00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:52,119 governmental initiatives that could be I 939 00:39:56,759 --> 00:39:55,569 guess supposedly misconstrued depending 940 00:39:58,109 --> 00:39:56,769 on what it is they're doing I of course 941 00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,119 have to be careful because even though 942 00:40:04,319 --> 00:40:00,400 I'm retired from the military I'm still 943 00:40:06,809 --> 00:40:04,329 bound by classification laws but it's 944 00:40:09,059 --> 00:40:06,819 very possible that things that the 945 00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:09,069 military was doing but not admitting to 946 00:40:14,789 --> 00:40:12,640 is something that people misunderstood 947 00:40:17,399 --> 00:40:14,799 and and let's not lose track of the fact 948 00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:17,409 that we call something a UFO because it 949 00:40:21,329 --> 00:40:19,630 is unidentified right that does not 950 00:40:23,279 --> 00:40:21,339 necessarily imply that it's from outer 951 00:40:26,579 --> 00:40:23,289 space I know other you know some 952 00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:26,589 organizations are using UAP and other 953 00:40:34,769 --> 00:40:31,390 you know ways to to talk about the 954 00:40:37,439 --> 00:40:34,779 subject because of the tainted you know 955 00:40:39,329 --> 00:40:37,449 UFO people just assume means alien or a 956 00:40:41,789 --> 00:40:39,339 lot of people do assume that sure alien 957 00:40:43,949 --> 00:40:41,799 so I probably picked a bad name for my 958 00:40:46,319 --> 00:40:43,959 podcast but it's well what is UAP I'm 959 00:40:50,579 --> 00:40:46,329 not heard of that actually Oh Ariel oh 960 00:40:52,529 --> 00:40:50,589 boy unidentified aerial phenomena okay 961 00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:52,539 are very close to that if I get it off a 962 00:40:57,149 --> 00:40:55,630 little bit okay yeah a problem and so 963 00:41:02,130 --> 00:40:57,159 that's another one that's being used but 964 00:41:03,539 --> 00:41:02,140 still and you'll see that there's a few 965 00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:03,549 like I said a few organizations that 966 00:41:06,750 --> 00:41:04,160 will use 967 00:41:11,290 --> 00:41:06,760 and actually when it comes to two pilots 968 00:41:14,110 --> 00:41:11,300 reporting that nightcap 969 00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:14,120 I believe is that's what they use for 970 00:41:20,620 --> 00:41:17,150 that term now I have a question for you 971 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:20,630 a lot of people are seeing especially in 972 00:41:26,530 --> 00:41:24,530 the last several years but going back 973 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:26,540 really far but they're seeing black 974 00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:31,250 triangles as far as UFO sightings that's 975 00:41:37,540 --> 00:41:35,510 what we hear a lot about recently but 976 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:37,550 you know Lee Spiegel was actually 977 00:41:41,950 --> 00:41:39,410 listening to the show had quite a 978 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:41,960 sighting back in I think it was 1978 or 979 00:41:46,330 --> 00:41:44,930 there abouts and people have seen them 980 00:41:48,730 --> 00:41:46,340 for many many years and a lot of 981 00:41:52,690 --> 00:41:48,740 speculation is that they are you know 982 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:52,700 secret military aircraft a lot of people 983 00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:55,490 also report that they make no sound when 984 00:42:01,930 --> 00:41:58,400 they go overhead some people say there 985 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:01,940 is a humming some people feel that 986 00:42:06,940 --> 00:42:03,890 there's some type of electrical charge 987 00:42:08,890 --> 00:42:06,950 I've heard that sometimes ignitions and 988 00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,900 cars go off things like that 989 00:42:14,650 --> 00:42:10,640 do you think it's possible that there is 990 00:42:17,650 --> 00:42:14,660 military secret military craft that 991 00:42:20,140 --> 00:42:17,660 would be flying for so long or is that 992 00:42:21,970 --> 00:42:20,150 you know do you think I mean I consider 993 00:42:24,510 --> 00:42:21,980 it just a mystery myself I have no idea 994 00:42:28,420 --> 00:42:24,520 but what is your thoughts on that 995 00:42:30,850 --> 00:42:28,430 my thoughts are complex because on the 996 00:42:34,750 --> 00:42:30,860 one hand you take a project like the 997 00:42:38,020 --> 00:42:34,760 sr-71 or the f-117 or the b2 which all 998 00:42:40,810 --> 00:42:38,030 began very classified and then came out 999 00:42:43,450 --> 00:42:40,820 later if you will as acknowledged 1000 00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:43,460 programs and now you can know all kinds 1001 00:42:49,570 --> 00:42:45,730 of things about just about all of them 1002 00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:49,580 and also a mindful that it's almost hard 1003 00:42:53,860 --> 00:42:51,520 enough for one person to keep a secret 1004 00:42:56,050 --> 00:42:53,870 anytime you have more than one person a 1005 00:42:59,950 --> 00:42:56,060 secret is virtually impossible to keep 1006 00:43:02,440 --> 00:42:59,960 and so anything so to answer your 1007 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:02,450 question I do believe there are projects 1008 00:43:06,580 --> 00:43:04,490 the government is working on whether one 1009 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:06,590 could exist for 50 years without it 1010 00:43:11,290 --> 00:43:07,970 being acknowledged and without the 1011 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:11,300 secret to get out that to me seems less 1012 00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:13,730 plausible then maybe at one point 1013 00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:16,400 whatever people saw turned out to be the 1014 00:43:20,089 --> 00:43:17,849 f-117 or the b-2 1015 00:43:23,180 --> 00:43:20,099 and whatever we're seeing now just has 1016 00:43:25,549 --> 00:43:23,190 not been acknowledged yet and so there 1017 00:43:28,219 --> 00:43:25,559 again it's very difficult to say with 1018 00:43:31,069 --> 00:43:28,229 any authority and it's just my own 1019 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:31,079 opinion that I'm virtually certain that 1020 00:43:36,289 --> 00:43:33,690 there are aircraft that the military is 1021 00:43:39,319 --> 00:43:36,299 flying that we don't know about you and 1022 00:43:41,299 --> 00:43:39,329 I and maybe someday we will maybe we 1023 00:43:44,180 --> 00:43:41,309 never will and if so then they have a 1024 00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:44,190 pretty darn good system in place for 1025 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:45,660 keeping it under wraps because if you 1026 00:43:52,910 --> 00:43:48,170 think about the various locations in 1027 00:43:55,759 --> 00:43:52,920 Nevada that began as very covert if you 1028 00:43:58,789 --> 00:43:55,769 will and now or relatively well-known it 1029 00:44:00,799 --> 00:43:58,799 seems and other projects that have been 1030 00:44:03,289 --> 00:44:00,809 leaked or spilled or intentionally 1031 00:44:07,819 --> 00:44:03,299 released I don't know of anything 1032 00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:07,829 frankly that was developed and still not 1033 00:44:14,170 --> 00:44:12,209 told about if you will and I if I did I 1034 00:44:19,099 --> 00:44:14,180 guess I couldn't tell you anyway but I 1035 00:44:21,939 --> 00:44:19,109 don't is it to make it simple and so III 1036 00:44:24,109 --> 00:44:21,949 think it is possible that there are 1037 00:44:25,759 --> 00:44:24,119 aircraft out there being employed 1038 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:25,769 whether they're man unmanned I don't 1039 00:44:30,109 --> 00:44:27,930 know and could they be using different 1040 00:44:32,289 --> 00:44:30,119 propulsion sources and could it have an 1041 00:44:35,299 --> 00:44:32,299 electromagnetic pulse type impact on 1042 00:44:37,969 --> 00:44:35,309 electronics near it sure but I don't 1043 00:44:39,769 --> 00:44:37,979 know of any yeah yeah are you willing to 1044 00:44:42,949 --> 00:44:39,779 well I actually put the phone number up 1045 00:44:46,999 --> 00:44:42,959 there so anyone can call in now we're 1046 00:44:49,549 --> 00:44:47,009 only about 15 actually 11 minutes we're 1047 00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:49,559 gonna be going to a break and taking in 1048 00:44:54,289 --> 00:44:51,209 another guest so if anyone has a 1049 00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,299 question they'd like to ask Vincent 1050 00:45:00,769 --> 00:44:56,880 please give a call now that number is up 1051 00:45:04,009 --> 00:45:00,779 on the screen and that's 603 not that 1052 00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:04,019 number that's up there let's see we had 1053 00:45:11,259 --> 00:45:06,089 it we had a problem with our last call 1054 00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,269 in number so it's a 603 967 403 oh and 1055 00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:13,440 the number you see up on the screen is 1056 00:45:24,469 --> 00:45:16,160 wrong hang on just a minute please 1057 00:45:26,359 --> 00:45:24,479 okay there you go anyway so jeez I had 1058 00:45:29,539 --> 00:45:26,369 something I was going to say just and 1059 00:45:31,460 --> 00:45:29,549 but the number thing no problem 1060 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:31,470 yeah when when 1061 00:45:40,460 --> 00:45:37,770 when you are up in in a jet and you're 1062 00:45:43,010 --> 00:45:40,470 at sake 3040 thousand feet somewhere 1063 00:45:45,740 --> 00:45:43,020 around there I know from experience in 1064 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:45,750 myself I've mentioned on this show that 1065 00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:47,610 I was a flight attendant you know years 1066 00:45:53,090 --> 00:45:50,700 ago so and I've been up in the cockpit 1067 00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:53,100 you can see for miles and miles and 1068 00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:56,640 miles and miles and so you would think 1069 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:00,000 that if something is coming into the 1070 00:46:03,830 --> 00:46:01,890 earth that Earth's atmosphere and flying 1071 00:46:07,370 --> 00:46:03,840 around you'd be able to you know with 1072 00:46:09,890 --> 00:46:07,380 all that how many hours do you have in 1073 00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:09,900 military aircraft 3,800 and 1074 00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:11,910 approximately a thousand in civilian 1075 00:46:16,070 --> 00:46:14,700 yeah so there you go I mean that's you 1076 00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,080 know I don't know how many days it is 1077 00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:18,480 but you know you're out there you know 1078 00:46:23,450 --> 00:46:21,180 you're usually your eyes are out there I 1079 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:23,460 know with autopilot you don't always 1080 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:25,170 have to be you know concentrating but 1081 00:46:28,850 --> 00:46:27,210 still you would think that you would see 1082 00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:28,860 something have you ever been in a 1083 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:31,710 situation where anybody talks about they 1084 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:32,970 had a sighting they didn't know what it 1085 00:46:42,860 --> 00:46:38,850 was only on the November of 2004 episode 1086 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:42,870 on the Nimitz and even then I don't 1087 00:46:47,780 --> 00:46:45,450 recall being part of any discussions I 1088 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:47,790 imagine I was going about my life as I 1089 00:46:51,980 --> 00:46:50,010 normally would on the ship and someone 1090 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:51,990 might have made a funny about it or 1091 00:46:57,230 --> 00:46:54,570 pointed out you know the next day on our 1092 00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:57,240 flight schedule called the air plan once 1093 00:47:00,320 --> 00:46:58,530 in a while on the back where all the 1094 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:00,330 notes are there's a little extra real 1095 00:47:04,370 --> 00:47:02,010 estate so they'll put a cartoon of 1096 00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:04,380 something recent or relevant and for the 1097 00:47:07,340 --> 00:47:05,700 next two or three days of course there 1098 00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:07,350 were all these cartoons about men and 1099 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:10,400 black and all these other things and so 1100 00:47:14,810 --> 00:47:13,290 we might have made jokes about that but 1101 00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:14,820 truthfully I don't really remember 1102 00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:16,920 anything out of the ordinary or people 1103 00:47:22,130 --> 00:47:20,160 talking about it so now I have no 1104 00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:22,140 experience with that unfortunately well 1105 00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:24,180 I was wondering I was wondering as 1106 00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:27,060 you're a commercial pilot probably that 1107 00:47:32,330 --> 00:47:30,060 the you know when you you said you know 1108 00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:32,340 probably the captain you're sitting next 1109 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:34,680 to that conversation wouldn't come up 1110 00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:36,810 even if that person saw something at one 1111 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:39,240 point you know would be a strange 1112 00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:40,890 conversation to get into wouldn't it 1113 00:47:45,050 --> 00:47:43,500 normally it would be because again 1114 00:47:47,180 --> 00:47:45,060 airline pilots are much like 1115 00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:47,190 military pilots that we we like to have 1116 00:47:52,910 --> 00:47:49,740 the answers because a lot rides on us 1117 00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:52,920 and we like to be in command of things 1118 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:54,750 and to be knowledgeable and it's 1119 00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:56,490 difficult for people to admit they don't 1120 00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:58,890 know what it is they saw or are saying 1121 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:01,920 and so I don't know if that's a pride 1122 00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:05,610 thing per se but I assume I don't know 1123 00:48:09,350 --> 00:48:07,380 of any but I assume there are airline 1124 00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:09,360 pilots out there who have said hey I saw 1125 00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:10,680 something and I don't know what it was 1126 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:13,560 right right now you know you've heard 1127 00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:15,450 this a million times I'm sure that 1128 00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:17,730 there's you there's a thousand hours of 1129 00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:19,740 boredom for every 15 seconds of terror 1130 00:48:24,620 --> 00:48:22,200 or something like that right isn't that 1131 00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:24,630 how they go sir I don't know the exact 1132 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:26,700 ratio but that sounds about right 1133 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:29,850 except when you are deployed in the Navy 1134 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:32,250 and at night you have to land on the 1135 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:34,290 carrier then I would say it's more like 1136 00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:36,570 an hour and a half of boredom depending 1137 00:48:43,220 --> 00:48:40,500 on your mission and about 60 seconds 1138 00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:43,230 maybe of terror because for the last 1139 00:48:47,420 --> 00:48:45,510 minute you're about to land it can be 1140 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:47,430 dependent on environmental conditions it 1141 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:49,770 can be quite sporting white right we 1142 00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:52,890 have a caller calling in great we'll 1143 00:48:58,910 --> 00:48:57,450 take the call and caller welcome to the 1144 00:49:04,640 --> 00:48:58,920 show your first name and where are you 1145 00:49:12,460 --> 00:49:04,650 calling from any week now we're calling 1146 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:12,470 from Florida hi there how are ya hi 1147 00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:16,530 could you ask be your guest our drivers 1148 00:49:24,620 --> 00:49:20,880 I leave normally seen entitled I just 1149 00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:24,630 saw something as you making new ap like 1150 00:49:30,170 --> 00:49:27,540 flour I'm on the East Coast the floor 1151 00:49:35,780 --> 00:49:30,180 and I'm busting in report I'm not sure 1152 00:49:38,690 --> 00:49:35,790 okay now what is the question and again 1153 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:38,700 think Martin he's asking if gliders 1154 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:40,410 mostly fly during the day or at night 1155 00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:41,370 yes 1156 00:49:48,140 --> 00:49:44,280 and so I could hear the question I did 1157 00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:48,150 not catch a name but hello my name is 1158 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:51,510 Rodney Adam brought a glider pilot her 1159 00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:54,330 hello Abner I am NOT a glider pilot I've 1160 00:49:58,970 --> 00:49:57,570 not seen gliders fly at night except at 1161 00:50:01,280 --> 00:49:58,980 an airshow one 1162 00:50:04,099 --> 00:50:01,290 when a glider was towed up intentionally 1163 00:50:07,849 --> 00:50:04,109 with lights and pyrotechnics which was 1164 00:50:09,530 --> 00:50:07,859 quite mesmerizing and I went to a night 1165 00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:09,540 air show here at that Marine Corps Air 1166 00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:11,099 Station Miramar some years back it was 1167 00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:14,220 quite fun and other than that as I 1168 00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:15,599 understand most of them fly in the 1169 00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:17,849 daytime because the gliders are 1170 00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:20,520 generally unpowered many of them some 1171 00:50:28,220 --> 00:50:23,430 have avionics and radios but some of 1172 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:28,230 them are just old-school airframe cables 1173 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:30,690 and pulleys with a stick and rudder and 1174 00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,210 some pitot static instruments which 1175 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:35,280 don't require power and so to fly at 1176 00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:36,930 night you would either need to hold the 1177 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:39,420 flashlight to those or have some other 1178 00:50:44,540 --> 00:50:41,970 systems so you don't get lost or run 1179 00:50:46,550 --> 00:50:44,550 into something you shouldn't so as to my 1180 00:50:48,349 --> 00:50:46,560 knowledge most glider flying is in the 1181 00:50:52,310 --> 00:50:48,359 daytime also don't you use the thermal 1182 00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:52,320 thermal updrafts in a glider generally 1183 00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,900 speaking yes you can also fly with wind 1184 00:50:59,359 --> 00:50:56,640 updrafts which is why you see hang 1185 00:51:01,700 --> 00:50:59,369 gliders oftentimes at coastal cliffs 1186 00:51:03,170 --> 00:51:01,710 that is the way the wind comes off the 1187 00:51:05,300 --> 00:51:03,180 ocean and goes up those cliffs it can 1188 00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:05,310 keep Peng gliders aloft for long times 1189 00:51:12,140 --> 00:51:08,569 all right all right thanks for the call 1190 00:51:15,020 --> 00:51:12,150 right thank you all right all right so 1191 00:51:18,410 --> 00:51:15,030 yeah we're out to our break in about 1192 00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:18,420 four minutes but I do want to make sure 1193 00:51:24,260 --> 00:51:21,599 though before you leave that people can 1194 00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:24,270 find your podcast in and it's a good one 1195 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:26,310 and so go ahead and do give that 1196 00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:27,770 information out if you would I 1197 00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:30,780 appreciate that Martin any podcast 1198 00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:33,569 player you have should list us just look 1199 00:51:38,780 --> 00:51:36,510 for the fighter pilot podcast but you 1200 00:51:41,420 --> 00:51:38,790 can also listen on our website which is 1201 00:51:44,569 --> 00:51:41,430 of course fighter pilot podcast comm and 1202 00:51:48,740 --> 00:51:44,579 we are on all the usual social media 1203 00:51:51,859 --> 00:51:48,750 Facebook Instagram patreon Twitter 1204 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:51,869 YouTube I recently began a discord 1205 00:51:57,290 --> 00:51:54,810 channel and I maybe even forgetting some 1206 00:51:59,780 --> 00:51:57,300 because I've been responding to the 1207 00:52:01,700 --> 00:51:59,790 interest in the podcast and going where 1208 00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:01,710 people have asked us to go so there 1209 00:52:05,870 --> 00:52:03,630 could be more but if you look for the 1210 00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:05,880 fighter pilot podcast we show up in many 1211 00:52:12,849 --> 00:52:09,569 different venues all right now after you 1212 00:52:15,919 --> 00:52:12,859 interviewed david flavor 1213 00:52:20,569 --> 00:52:15,929 do you have any more of an interest in 1214 00:52:22,609 --> 00:52:20,579 looking into aviation regarding UFOs 1215 00:52:25,759 --> 00:52:22,619 you know encounters there were so 1216 00:52:27,409 --> 00:52:25,769 there's so many of them I understand 1217 00:52:29,659 --> 00:52:27,419 that Martin and I feel a little bit 1218 00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:29,669 badly in this venue saying no but the 1219 00:52:36,379 --> 00:52:32,609 truth is no and I say that because the 1220 00:52:37,759 --> 00:52:36,389 podcast is about military aircraft and I 1221 00:52:39,709 --> 00:52:37,769 always say it's about the aircraft the 1222 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:39,719 weapons systems and most importantly the 1223 00:52:44,929 --> 00:52:41,729 people and in this case I had a 1224 00:52:47,299 --> 00:52:44,939 compelling people story and many of my 1225 00:52:50,149 --> 00:52:47,309 listeners had asked me to interview 1226 00:52:51,859 --> 00:52:50,159 commander favor and so I willingly 1227 00:52:55,069 --> 00:52:51,869 obliged because he's a friend anyway it 1228 00:52:57,739 --> 00:52:55,079 was good to see him and I would like to 1229 00:53:00,199 --> 00:52:57,749 be able to say it's interests me more 1230 00:53:02,209 --> 00:53:00,209 and to pursue it but it's a little bit 1231 00:53:03,889 --> 00:53:02,219 like golf I've never considered myself a 1232 00:53:06,739 --> 00:53:03,899 particularly good aviator because I 1233 00:53:08,569 --> 00:53:06,749 don't play golf and so I find it 1234 00:53:11,149 --> 00:53:08,579 difficult to pursue it because there's 1235 00:53:12,949 --> 00:53:11,159 just no interest there yeah could there 1236 00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:12,959 be an interest developed into this sure 1237 00:53:18,349 --> 00:53:15,689 but there is so much that I'm looking to 1238 00:53:20,389 --> 00:53:18,359 do with my podcast and there are so many 1239 00:53:22,219 --> 00:53:20,399 other topics that I'll probably continue 1240 00:53:24,319 --> 00:53:22,229 to move on and if at some point it 1241 00:53:26,809 --> 00:53:24,329 circles back around or an opera zoom 1242 00:53:29,779 --> 00:53:26,819 opportunity presents itself well sure I 1243 00:53:31,729 --> 00:53:29,789 won't shun it but it is not something I 1244 00:53:33,799 --> 00:53:31,739 intend to actively continue to pursue 1245 00:53:36,469 --> 00:53:33,809 sure and I didn't I didn't actually mean 1246 00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:36,479 that in the podcast way I just meant 1247 00:53:41,389 --> 00:53:38,729 that there was a number of aviation 1248 00:53:43,789 --> 00:53:41,399 related UFO encounters there's actually 1249 00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,799 been some you know that I'm going to be 1250 00:53:48,769 --> 00:53:45,599 talking about with Tyler rogue away 1251 00:53:51,019 --> 00:53:48,779 there was one in Ireland just a few a 1252 00:53:55,009 --> 00:53:51,029 few weeks ago I think we have a call 1253 00:53:58,029 --> 00:53:55,019 coming in let's see about that and then 1254 00:54:01,489 --> 00:53:58,039 you just have a couple of minutes okay 1255 00:54:03,049 --> 00:54:01,499 caller you're you're on the line here 1256 00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:03,059 and your first name and where are you 1257 00:54:09,139 --> 00:54:07,049 calling from Britain from North Carolina 1258 00:54:12,859 --> 00:54:09,149 hi there welcome to the show we have 1259 00:54:13,969 --> 00:54:12,869 someone else trying to call in too so 1260 00:54:17,779 --> 00:54:13,979 you have a question for our guest 1261 00:54:24,889 --> 00:54:17,789 tonight yeah I just wanted to ask him 1262 00:54:26,089 --> 00:54:24,899 what his opinion the recent done fighter 1263 00:54:31,579 --> 00:54:26,099 pilot or 1264 00:54:33,620 --> 00:54:31,589 gun video of the UAP that rotates and 1265 00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:33,630 tilts and you can hear the pilots 1266 00:54:37,069 --> 00:54:35,940 talking about it just what his opinion 1267 00:54:38,450 --> 00:54:37,079 on that was thanks 1268 00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:38,460 that is a nickname it's called the 1269 00:54:43,549 --> 00:54:41,460 gimbal UFO that was the gamble that's 1270 00:54:46,249 --> 00:54:43,559 right mm-hmm right 1271 00:54:52,430 --> 00:54:46,259 hello Brent and thanks for your question 1272 00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:52,440 I don't know very much about it I clear 1273 00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:54,930 video forward-looking infra-red of that 1274 00:54:59,960 --> 00:54:57,599 episode to provide a what I call 1275 00:55:02,479 --> 00:54:59,970 behind-the-scenes video on my youtube 1276 00:55:06,229 --> 00:55:02,489 channel recently and I used it mainly to 1277 00:55:10,219 --> 00:55:06,239 explain what my aviation aficionado 1278 00:55:13,130 --> 00:55:10,229 listener base was seeing on the FLIR 1279 00:55:15,140 --> 00:55:13,140 display itself and in fact I incorrectly 1280 00:55:17,029 --> 00:55:15,150 identified it as the commander freighter 1281 00:55:19,999 --> 00:55:17,039 episode and I believe it was the gimbal 1282 00:55:23,059 --> 00:55:20,009 on instead and there again when you look 1283 00:55:26,180 --> 00:55:23,069 at the imagery it is perplexing I don't 1284 00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:26,190 know what they were seeing I don't know 1285 00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:30,420 how to explain or justify what they said 1286 00:55:37,219 --> 00:55:34,799 or saw so it's a mystery to me and I did 1287 00:55:38,450 --> 00:55:37,229 not watch the entire bit I don't know 1288 00:55:40,219 --> 00:55:38,460 what's available on YouTube if 1289 00:55:42,049 --> 00:55:40,229 everything from start to finish is 1290 00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:42,059 available but the little bits that I 1291 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:45,960 listen to their responses like check 1292 00:55:52,459 --> 00:55:48,210 that out dude and wow it's rotating that 1293 00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:52,469 all sounded very authentic pilot right 1294 00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:55,200 at least for me I am I'm not a good 1295 00:56:01,370 --> 00:55:57,930 actor I have learned and I have a 1296 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:01,380 newfound respect for actors in radio 1297 00:56:07,329 --> 00:56:04,890 host like Umar and others who do put 1298 00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,339 themselves out in front of people to be 1299 00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:10,079 interpreted and judged frankly and so to 1300 00:56:13,729 --> 00:56:12,329 me they sounded very authentic and I 1301 00:56:16,579 --> 00:56:13,739 think they weren't sure what they saw 1302 00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:16,589 either so I don't know as unfortunately 1303 00:56:20,749 --> 00:56:19,200 your answer Britt all right well thank 1304 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:20,759 you very much all right you're welcome 1305 00:56:25,489 --> 00:56:22,890 thanks for the call so why don't you 1306 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:25,499 hang in there and I'm going to go to 1307 00:56:31,759 --> 00:56:28,170 break right now so this is Martin Willis 1308 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:31,769 my guest is Vincent Aiello and we'll be 1309 00:56:41,140 --> 00:56:34,410 back hopefully with Tyler rogue away so 1310 00:56:46,130 --> 00:56:44,000 blonde display and one of the people 1311 00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:46,140 explaining it held up a cigarette 1312 00:56:51,020 --> 00:56:48,089 lighter or the cigarette itself I don't 1313 00:56:53,839 --> 00:56:51,030 recall and the missile growled and 1314 00:56:55,849 --> 00:56:53,849 followed it and it created an impression 1315 00:56:58,670 --> 00:56:55,859 in my stepfather's head that he always 1316 00:57:00,859 --> 00:56:58,680 just enjoyed because he's a technology 1317 00:57:03,380 --> 00:57:00,869 aficionado so when he came into the 1318 00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:03,390 family he took us to a show it was at 1319 00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:05,730 the Naval Air Station in Point Mugu 1320 00:57:12,020 --> 00:57:10,020 California just north of Malibu and he 1321 00:57:14,089 --> 00:57:12,030 enjoyed still at that point in his life 1322 00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:14,099 looking at the technology but for me I 1323 00:57:19,250 --> 00:57:17,130 became smitten with the pilots between 1324 00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:19,260 the swagger of the pilots themselves and 1325 00:57:23,150 --> 00:57:21,030 the airplanes that they flew and the 1326 00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:23,160 noise and my two older brothers and I 1327 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:25,260 began to fly remote control airplanes 1328 00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:27,210 back when they weren't so popular as 1329 00:57:34,220 --> 00:57:31,760 they quote-unquote drones are now and so 1330 00:57:35,900 --> 00:57:34,230 somewhere along the way I decided this 1331 00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:35,910 was what I wanted to do with my life and 1332 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:38,700 in high school I tried real hard I was 1333 00:57:44,359 --> 00:57:41,130 not accepted to the Naval Academy but I 1334 00:57:46,490 --> 00:57:44,369 was accepted into an ROTC program and so 1335 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:46,500 I was able to earn a degree from UCLA 1336 00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:49,650 and a commission into the Navy and I was 1337 00:57:53,329 --> 00:57:52,020 able to select for flight school and in 1338 00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:53,339 flight school did sufficiently well 1339 00:58:00,019 --> 00:57:57,210 enough to earn jets and after jets 1340 00:58:03,980 --> 00:58:00,029 earned the f-18 and stayed in the Navy 1341 00:58:06,529 --> 00:58:03,990 for almost 25 years accrued 3,800 flight 1342 00:58:08,839 --> 00:58:06,539 hours and just loved every minute of it 1343 00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,849 I had a really good time over 700 1344 00:58:13,339 --> 00:58:10,319 carrier landings on five deployments 1345 00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:13,349 plus a bonus employment on the ground in 1346 00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:16,049 Afghanistan and along the way was 1347 00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:18,089 married have three children moved many 1348 00:58:24,799 --> 00:58:22,559 times and I have no regrets I enjoyed my 1349 00:58:27,019 --> 00:58:24,809 career immensely and I know my children 1350 00:58:30,019 --> 00:58:27,029 although they were sad when I would blow 1351 00:58:31,220 --> 00:58:30,029 up they also think fondly of our time in 1352 00:58:34,210 --> 00:58:31,230 the military and the friends we had in 1353 00:58:37,279 --> 00:58:34,220 the location and where we left Wow so 1354 00:58:39,289 --> 00:58:37,289 that's pretty exciting I guess we can go 1355 00:58:42,140 --> 00:58:39,299 back and I'll try to the internet here 1356 00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:42,150 and Tyler why don't you give your 1357 00:58:47,029 --> 00:58:43,920 background if you would to the to the 1358 00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:47,039 listener yeah good be with you guys and 1359 00:58:50,510 --> 00:58:48,450 you got to bear with me I'm just getting 1360 00:58:53,060 --> 00:58:50,520 over a cold here so 1361 00:58:55,930 --> 00:58:53,070 I might sound like I'm Kermit the Frog 1362 00:58:58,700 --> 00:58:55,940 okay so hang there with me but I run a 1363 00:59:02,060 --> 00:58:58,710 website called war zone calm 1364 00:59:05,810 --> 00:59:02,070 we do everything defense all spectrums 1365 00:59:09,050 --> 00:59:05,820 of military technology foreign policy 1366 00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:09,060 and sort of where those two Nexus the 1367 00:59:14,359 --> 00:59:11,850 Nexus were those two things meet so 1368 00:59:15,620 --> 00:59:14,369 really its its defense reporting has to 1369 00:59:18,590 --> 00:59:15,630 do with everything from like you know 1370 00:59:20,290 --> 00:59:18,600 secretive programs to you know what's 1371 00:59:22,970 --> 00:59:20,300 going on in the world at any given time 1372 00:59:25,420 --> 00:59:22,980 so that's sort of my background and 1373 00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:25,430 where I come from on this great and 1374 00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:28,110 Vince Vincent I don't know if you want 1375 00:59:31,010 --> 00:59:30,510 to hang out a little while and sure I'd 1376 00:59:34,370 --> 00:59:31,020 be happy to 1377 00:59:37,070 --> 00:59:34,380 okay that's great thank you and so Tyler 1378 00:59:38,570 --> 00:59:37,080 and if I go ahead lower with your 1379 00:59:41,330 --> 00:59:38,580 website and I'm impressed 1380 00:59:43,070 --> 00:59:41,340 oh hey thanks so much man greatly 1381 00:59:45,740 --> 00:59:43,080 appreciate it it's a definitely a 1382 00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:45,750 passion project you know we have a lot 1383 00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:46,380 of fun with it 1384 00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:49,680 but yeah it's it takes up a lot of time 1385 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:52,530 but we love what we do there you go 1386 00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:55,770 yeah and it's very busy it's a very busy 1387 00:59:59,930 --> 00:59:57,810 website and you want to give that out 1388 01:00:03,260 --> 00:59:59,940 it's it's the drive but it's the warzone 1389 01:00:05,630 --> 01:00:03,270 is that how does that work yeah so we're 1390 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:05,640 we're part of the drive comm which is a 1391 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:07,770 transportation vertical but we have our 1392 01:00:13,130 --> 01:00:10,770 own URL at the war zone comm and that 1393 01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:13,140 will take you right to our own our own 1394 01:00:17,570 --> 01:00:15,119 landing page and you can see what we're 1395 01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:17,580 up to and scroll through some of the 1396 01:00:25,660 --> 01:00:22,310 older articles as well uh-huh and so 1397 01:00:30,109 --> 01:00:25,670 Tyler the guests that I have on now 1398 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:30,119 Vincent Aiello he has the fighter 1399 01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:33,690 fighter pilot podcast and we were 1400 01:00:40,220 --> 01:00:35,369 actually talking about he interviewed 1401 01:00:42,380 --> 01:00:40,230 David flavor who had the encounter it's 1402 01:00:45,140 --> 01:00:42,390 it's titled now the Nimitz encounter 1403 01:00:49,150 --> 01:00:45,150 back in 2004 are you familiar with that 1404 01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:49,160 particular sighting yeah intimately 1405 01:00:54,790 --> 01:00:52,200 especially over the last year since this 1406 01:00:58,099 --> 01:00:54,800 thing really built little blue open 1407 01:01:00,560 --> 01:00:58,109 definitely an incredible incredible 1408 01:01:01,670 --> 01:01:00,570 encounter an incredible account and it's 1409 01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:01,680 great that we're hearing a little bit 1410 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:04,110 more about it every single day 1411 01:01:09,550 --> 01:01:06,810 yes and the the podcast I've listened to 1412 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:09,560 the podcast that were speaking about 1413 01:01:16,610 --> 01:01:12,570 with Vincent and David flavor it's very 1414 01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:16,620 good and a lot of things are revealed in 1415 01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:18,960 it that normally you wouldn't hear him 1416 01:01:22,490 --> 01:01:20,880 say on any other show or whatever 1417 01:01:26,300 --> 01:01:22,500 because he's talking to another pilot 1418 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:26,310 and so it's very interesting and if you 1419 01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:28,890 haven't heard it I'd say check it out 1420 01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:30,110 it's good 1421 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:34,710 so Tyler you have written about UFOs 1422 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:38,010 have have you had any ridicule for doing 1423 01:01:41,930 --> 01:01:39,570 that it seems like that's kind of the 1424 01:01:45,350 --> 01:01:41,940 topic tonight people are talking about 1425 01:01:49,580 --> 01:01:45,360 how David Trevor was harassed and there 1426 01:01:52,850 --> 01:01:49,590 was a you know a number of things I 1427 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:52,860 think we have a pilot actually calling 1428 01:01:59,840 --> 01:01:55,530 in by this signal here so we have a 1429 01:02:01,900 --> 01:01:59,850 caller joining us here hello caller your 1430 01:02:04,220 --> 01:02:01,910 first name where you calling from 1431 01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:04,230 the first name is commander commander 1432 01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:06,240 Cobra I'm calling from someplace in the 1433 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:07,920 continental United States how are you 1434 01:02:13,070 --> 01:02:08,970 look tonight mr. Martin 1435 01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:13,080 okay so commander Cobra military pilot 1436 01:02:18,310 --> 01:02:16,410 that's a that's the subject and good 1437 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:18,320 timing for calling in thanks for calling 1438 01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:21,450 hey my pleasure so let me tell you who 1439 01:02:25,310 --> 01:02:23,040 have you been listening to the show I 1440 01:02:28,810 --> 01:02:25,320 know you know I know I mean I'm in a 1441 01:02:31,370 --> 01:02:28,820 eMCON situation I am total radio block 1442 01:02:31,730 --> 01:02:31,380 blackout were on that right now is that 1443 01:02:36,740 --> 01:02:31,740 right 1444 01:02:39,530 --> 01:02:36,750 okay so we have Vincent Aiello he is he 1445 01:02:42,260 --> 01:02:39,540 has the fighter pilot podcast he's here 1446 01:02:45,830 --> 01:02:42,270 with us and also Tyler rogue away who 1447 01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:45,840 writes for the war zone when I say that 1448 01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:47,850 Tyler is that the right way to say that 1449 01:02:51,950 --> 01:02:49,200 or do you say the drive yeah oh yeah 1450 01:02:54,830 --> 01:02:51,960 yeah no no problem that's good to go yes 1451 01:02:55,790 --> 01:02:54,840 and that's why Andrew Cobras show quite 1452 01:02:59,120 --> 01:02:55,800 a couple times 1453 01:03:02,480 --> 01:02:59,130 Oh have you so we heard Tyler one of my 1454 01:03:04,580 --> 01:03:02,490 friends I'm not sure if I terrify me is 1455 01:03:06,770 --> 01:03:04,590 the thing but I I think hear him is one 1456 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:06,780 of my friend ah okay definitely it's 1457 01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:09,450 some more interest that's sure yeah 1458 01:03:16,190 --> 01:03:11,940 so Cobra thanks for calling in do you 1459 01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:16,200 have a question for either the Vincent 1460 01:03:19,140 --> 01:03:17,110 or or 1461 01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:19,150 Tyler in particular I actually had a 1462 01:03:25,650 --> 01:03:23,200 question for both uh Vincent and entire 1463 01:03:28,410 --> 01:03:25,660 good evening well the one thing I'd like 1464 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:28,420 to start out with his too tired star in 1465 01:03:35,340 --> 01:03:32,890 the last few weeks you have been even 1466 01:03:40,490 --> 01:03:35,350 really having a great run with the 1467 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:40,500 stories on the page I look forward to it 1468 01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:43,330 as almost a daily event for me to go 1469 01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:45,520 through and see was what's updated you 1470 01:03:50,220 --> 01:03:46,930 and Joe up and doing a near-normal 1471 01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:50,230 excellent job I'm curious if you have 1472 01:03:57,330 --> 01:03:53,920 picked up a lot of response from the Air 1473 01:03:59,790 --> 01:03:57,340 Force in particular and pilots in 1474 01:04:03,120 --> 01:03:59,800 general on your coverage that you've 1475 01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:03,130 been putting on the f-35 and some of the 1476 01:04:09,090 --> 01:04:06,250 other I would say transitional issues 1477 01:04:12,660 --> 01:04:09,100 one year latest parts talking about the 1478 01:04:17,370 --> 01:04:12,670 light attack aircraft probably not being 1479 01:04:19,710 --> 01:04:17,380 built oh yeah I mean definitely everyday 1480 01:04:20,940 --> 01:04:19,720 those procurement pieces that we do 1481 01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:20,950 which is pretty hard-hitting 1482 01:04:25,980 --> 01:04:23,650 you know we don't hold anything back we 1483 01:04:28,110 --> 01:04:25,990 get a lot of feedback from everybody 1484 01:04:31,290 --> 01:04:28,120 from people that are ants on the 1485 01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:31,300 Pentagon to people that have had just 1486 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:34,960 interest in it you know database that's 1487 01:04:38,310 --> 01:04:36,970 definitely actually how you know we 1488 01:04:39,870 --> 01:04:38,320 develop a lot of our sources are just 1489 01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:39,880 from people that are interested and you 1490 01:04:44,100 --> 01:04:41,920 know have something to share something 1491 01:04:46,620 --> 01:04:44,110 to say you know just like to talk to us 1492 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:46,630 about what we talk what we write about 1493 01:04:50,610 --> 01:04:48,250 on a daily basis a little bit further 1494 01:04:52,620 --> 01:04:50,620 but yeah definitely all those things are 1495 01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:52,630 big right now obviously there's a lot of 1496 01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:55,210 money pouring into the DoD with Trump's 1497 01:05:00,480 --> 01:04:57,520 larger budget I will see if that 1498 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:00,490 continues this year but you know it's 1499 01:05:05,460 --> 01:05:03,130 especially on the well we can tell us on 1500 01:05:07,590 --> 01:05:05,470 the black side on the classified realm 1501 01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:07,600 you know that whole world is going to 1502 01:05:12,300 --> 01:05:10,510 just be ballooning especially in the 1503 01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:12,310 next couple years as those dollars that 1504 01:05:16,130 --> 01:05:13,920 have been invested to continue to mature 1505 01:05:18,750 --> 01:05:16,140 so we're gonna see a lot of new things 1506 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:18,760 showing up and and really I mentioned 1507 01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:20,050 this not a lot of it what I do you know 1508 01:05:26,130 --> 01:05:23,170 shows by UFOs especially or anything 1509 01:05:28,530 --> 01:05:26,140 like that is that people have to realize 1510 01:05:31,020 --> 01:05:28,540 what they're gonna see in the sky just 1511 01:05:33,180 --> 01:05:31,030 as bystanders daily daily basis 1512 01:05:35,730 --> 01:05:33,190 is going to change in the next five to 1513 01:05:39,210 --> 01:05:35,740 ten years drastically with unmanned 1514 01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:39,220 warfare and a new concepts new 1515 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:41,410 technologies have been developed so when 1516 01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:42,730 you think and you see something maybe 1517 01:05:47,630 --> 01:05:45,760 you don't understand at first there's 1518 01:05:50,310 --> 01:05:47,640 gonna have to be some knowledge some 1519 01:05:53,310 --> 01:05:50,320 educate self education about what really 1520 01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:53,320 is out there potentially that you know 1521 01:05:59,640 --> 01:05:57,010 maybe has a different a different origin 1522 01:06:02,490 --> 01:05:59,650 than maybe what you jump to if you're 1523 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:02,500 into this subject matter and you know so 1524 01:06:06,090 --> 01:06:04,570 all that goes into it bi definitely we 1525 01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:06,100 always get a lot of feedback on a daily 1526 01:06:11,070 --> 01:06:08,770 basis on that stuff I'm gonna come back 1527 01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:11,080 in a second hey Vincent what's your 1528 01:06:17,940 --> 01:06:16,240 callsign jell-o Joel oh boy your name 1529 01:06:21,180 --> 01:06:17,950 sounds really familiar what what did you 1530 01:06:22,770 --> 01:06:21,190 fly I flew the f-18 mainly I had a stint 1531 01:06:25,650 --> 01:06:22,780 flying the f-16 towards the end of my 1532 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:32,730 what are you asking yes I was an 1533 01:06:37,260 --> 01:06:35,530 aggressor pilot at the at the time naval 1534 01:06:39,870 --> 01:06:37,270 strike and air warfare center in Fallon 1535 01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:39,880 Nevada and sorry what was the question I 1536 01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,370 asked you what was your uh your VT 1537 01:06:48,060 --> 01:06:44,160 squadron that you might do for primary 1538 01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:48,070 primary was VT - the doer birds yeah I 1539 01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:51,370 was an instructor there from 92 to 96 1540 01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:53,920 well anything I would have overlapped 1541 01:06:59,760 --> 01:06:57,250 yeah I'm pretty sure I would when Martin 1542 01:07:02,190 --> 01:06:59,770 said your game I I remember you 1543 01:07:04,890 --> 01:07:02,200 all right Martin connect us up offline 1544 01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:04,900 and I'll give you the big reveal you'll 1545 01:07:09,390 --> 01:07:07,990 be you'll probably remember but I'm 1546 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:09,400 pretty sure you and I flew together and 1547 01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:12,010 I I was pretty sure if you said Hornets 1548 01:07:15,660 --> 01:07:15,280 because I remember you went that way two 1549 01:07:18,450 --> 01:07:15,670 beers 1550 01:07:20,220 --> 01:07:18,460 Greg Pike's bear was my one of my 1551 01:07:23,970 --> 01:07:20,230 students if you remember Greg Hughes a 1552 01:07:26,460 --> 01:07:23,980 marine f-18 guy Greg what was the name 1553 01:07:29,490 --> 01:07:26,470 again by Sheriff kuber's was just paula 1554 01:07:31,530 --> 01:07:29,500 fighters I can't say I do but my brain 1555 01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:31,540 is getting worse as I age so it's 1556 01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:33,130 possible yeah brother summer I just got 1557 01:07:40,260 --> 01:07:37,330 it dusted off just come talk to me [\h__\h] 1558 01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:40,270 you okay no why don't you tell tell the 1559 01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:41,920 listening audience what David flavors 1560 01:07:53,490 --> 01:07:48,330 who do just that I'm asking you Vincent 1561 01:07:56,580 --> 01:07:53,500 Oh sex is his callsign yeah because it's 1562 01:07:58,859 --> 01:07:56,590 central flavors David flavors that's 1563 01:08:00,930 --> 01:07:58,869 what you bet nice is that how this all 1564 01:08:05,690 --> 01:08:00,940 works you try to find something in their 1565 01:08:08,910 --> 01:08:05,700 name that you can make a nickname yeah 1566 01:08:11,490 --> 01:08:08,920 or it is something you've done or 1567 01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:11,500 something you resemble and I say 1568 01:08:16,130 --> 01:08:13,119 something deliberately can also be 1569 01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:16,140 someone especially movie characters 1570 01:08:23,130 --> 01:08:20,170 sometimes yeah I do know some I know a 1571 01:08:26,430 --> 01:08:23,140 crash I know a crunch I know a skids I 1572 01:08:29,970 --> 01:08:26,440 know I knew I was a bambam or boom boom 1573 01:08:34,110 --> 01:08:29,980 as bam bam so yeah you knew he had one 1574 01:08:37,670 --> 01:08:34,120 more band or just means it just means 1575 01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:37,680 we've lost touch I also knew a torch 1576 01:08:42,329 --> 01:08:40,210 pretty funny yeah 1577 01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:42,339 man did you have any any other questions 1578 01:08:48,690 --> 01:08:44,560 for either one of our guests here yeah 1579 01:08:51,289 --> 01:08:48,700 I'm like jello on your case what did you 1580 01:08:56,039 --> 01:08:51,299 think of the footage that was released 1581 01:08:57,450 --> 01:08:56,049 your opinions of what's come out and you 1582 01:09:02,610 --> 01:08:57,460 think anything else is going to come out 1583 01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:02,620 in the near future as promised the only 1584 01:09:07,530 --> 01:09:05,410 footage I've seen was apparently from 1585 01:09:08,849 --> 01:09:07,540 the what did you call it it's not the 1586 01:09:11,490 --> 01:09:08,859 tic-tac what was the other one Martin 1587 01:09:12,809 --> 01:09:11,500 the gimbal from Florida symbol right 1588 01:09:14,849 --> 01:09:12,819 yeah I think that's the only one I've 1589 01:09:15,780 --> 01:09:14,859 seen so I haven't really had a chance to 1590 01:09:19,260 --> 01:09:15,790 scrutinize 1591 01:09:21,390 --> 01:09:19,270 in it too much video but of the gimbal 1592 01:09:23,490 --> 01:09:21,400 video that I looked at in order to make 1593 01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:23,500 a youtube video recently on my channel 1594 01:09:29,099 --> 01:09:26,170 about the flare itself frankly not about 1595 01:09:30,599 --> 01:09:29,109 UFOs it looked pretty interesting it was 1596 01:09:32,430 --> 01:09:30,609 not clear to me that it was anything 1597 01:09:34,559 --> 01:09:32,440 masquerading as something else 1598 01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:34,569 it right looked like something I 1599 01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:36,640 couldn't tell what it was and I did not 1600 01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:39,759 as I stated a few moments again no I did 1601 01:09:46,170 --> 01:09:44,560 not watch you know beginning oh I don't 1602 01:09:48,269 --> 01:09:46,180 know what else was involved but I do 1603 01:09:50,490 --> 01:09:48,279 know that the either the pilot or the 1604 01:09:52,530 --> 01:09:50,500 wizzo tried different zoom modes and 1605 01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:52,540 different polarity and the TV mode of 1606 01:09:57,570 --> 01:09:55,840 the 80 flare and at no time did it look 1607 01:09:58,200 --> 01:09:57,580 like okay now we can tell it's a 1608 01:10:00,660 --> 01:09:58,210 whatever 1609 01:10:04,230 --> 01:10:00,670 it it all looked pretty interesting 1610 01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:04,240 frankly all right so my last thing I 1611 01:10:08,490 --> 01:10:06,130 guess is for all three of you because 1612 01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:08,500 you gave me a little homework mr. Martin 1613 01:10:15,300 --> 01:10:11,290 as we were coming up for the show and 1614 01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:15,310 you asked me to look at the Air Force 1615 01:10:20,610 --> 01:10:18,130 Academy's physics book were talked about 1616 01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:20,620 UFOs and the physics book in 68 did you 1617 01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:22,960 see the answer I posted back to you I 1618 01:10:29,850 --> 01:10:25,510 briefly did it I had to leave early so I 1619 01:10:32,820 --> 01:10:29,860 didn't I yeah I guess in general I'm 1620 01:10:34,380 --> 01:10:32,830 gonna ask the three of you to discuss 1621 01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:34,390 this and I'm gonna actually try to put 1622 01:10:39,060 --> 01:10:37,150 the the app on so I can hear the answer 1623 01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:39,070 off air and I look forward to talking to 1624 01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:44,560 all three you again real soon Tyler and 1625 01:10:53,130 --> 01:10:47,440 Joe have had extremely interesting one 1626 01:10:55,020 --> 01:10:53,140 of discussions of things that were 1627 01:10:57,180 --> 01:10:55,030 flying that they couldn't identify and 1628 01:11:00,990 --> 01:10:57,190 they don't appear to be extraterrestrial 1629 01:11:02,910 --> 01:11:01,000 they appear to be projects that are out 1630 01:11:05,310 --> 01:11:02,920 flying and I'm sure that joel has got 1631 01:11:07,260 --> 01:11:05,320 some insights that as well where he was 1632 01:11:12,780 --> 01:11:07,270 spending and operating some of his time 1633 01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:12,790 some sensitive aircraft flew i postulate 1634 01:11:18,270 --> 01:11:17,050 to you mr. martin that one of the 1635 01:11:21,900 --> 01:11:18,280 reasons that was in there is that the 1636 01:11:26,370 --> 01:11:21,910 Air Force was using and actively using 1637 01:11:29,460 --> 01:11:26,380 UFOs as a way to to cover in a former 1638 01:11:32,100 --> 01:11:29,470 deception it's a documented policy that 1639 01:11:34,170 --> 01:11:32,110 they had in the 60s and 70s advanced 1640 01:11:37,260 --> 01:11:34,180 aircraft designs but they kind of 1641 01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:37,270 co-opted the interest and they they put 1642 01:11:40,350 --> 01:11:38,710 a lot of information out there to throw 1643 01:11:40,890 --> 01:11:40,360 people off and I'm curious what you 1644 01:11:43,380 --> 01:11:40,900 guess 1645 01:11:46,110 --> 01:11:43,390 think about that and if that was the 1646 01:11:48,060 --> 01:11:46,120 reason why they spoke about it I had 1647 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:48,070 some other information there but I'm 1648 01:11:53,130 --> 01:11:49,690 curious what they think of that reaction 1649 01:11:56,540 --> 01:11:53,140 to that which one are you want to take 1650 01:11:59,190 --> 01:11:56,550 down any one of you I'll grab that one 1651 01:12:00,960 --> 01:11:59,200 that's an area that we are going to be 1652 01:12:02,130 --> 01:12:00,970 really looking into in the future and 1653 01:12:04,170 --> 01:12:02,140 we're actually looking into it right now 1654 01:12:06,210 --> 01:12:04,180 based on a lot of the information and a 1655 01:12:07,710 --> 01:12:06,220 lot of the issues that are coming to 1656 01:12:12,090 --> 01:12:07,720 light and have come to light in the last 1657 01:12:15,950 --> 01:12:12,100 year that is definitely something that I 1658 01:12:18,810 --> 01:12:15,960 think is this like very much under 1659 01:12:23,580 --> 01:12:18,820 regarded in the UFO community as far as 1660 01:12:26,910 --> 01:12:23,590 the relationship between you know dark 1661 01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:26,920 programs and for instance the CIA and 1662 01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:29,050 everybody else who had assets that you 1663 01:12:34,740 --> 01:12:32,080 obviously did not want to have disclosed 1664 01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:34,750 and what a great cover where anybody 1665 01:12:38,580 --> 01:12:36,880 that mentions hey I saw this weird thing 1666 01:12:41,670 --> 01:12:38,590 yeah look like nothing I've seen before 1667 01:12:43,980 --> 01:12:41,680 and you just get laughed at you know 1668 01:12:44,670 --> 01:12:43,990 that there's no credibility there from 1669 01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:44,680 the start 1670 01:12:50,730 --> 01:12:47,760 that's an incredible asset or incredible 1671 01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:50,740 embedded like you know norm to have in 1672 01:12:55,620 --> 01:12:52,330 our society for trying to keep things 1673 01:12:57,480 --> 01:12:55,630 that's why secret now does that mean 1674 01:13:00,300 --> 01:12:57,490 that you know that they have the ability 1675 01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:00,310 to do anti-gravity propulsion everything 1676 01:13:05,420 --> 01:13:02,370 else I mean that's a whole nother topic 1677 01:13:09,060 --> 01:13:05,430 but I started keeping the the 1678 01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:09,070 perpetuating the myth side of UFOs right 1679 01:13:16,980 --> 01:13:13,690 and keeping the our society really you 1680 01:13:19,710 --> 01:13:16,990 know acclimated to laughing at this 1681 01:13:23,100 --> 01:13:19,720 topic is is a very important thing to 1682 01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:23,110 very powerful people that are within the 1683 01:13:26,490 --> 01:13:24,850 defense industrial complex and we know 1684 01:13:28,530 --> 01:13:26,500 that like you said we have documentation 1685 01:13:31,650 --> 01:13:28,540 on that that is in my opinion that isn't 1686 01:13:33,300 --> 01:13:31,660 your opinion and I think going for is 1687 01:13:35,010 --> 01:13:33,310 it's something we all have to keep in 1688 01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:35,020 our mind so we see all the you know new 1689 01:13:40,290 --> 01:13:37,050 information come out is sightings 1690 01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:40,300 because it's definitely like I say what 1691 01:13:46,260 --> 01:13:44,560 is flying today in the next 10 years is 1692 01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:46,270 going to look very different than what 1693 01:13:53,220 --> 01:13:49,170 we've seen flying to the last 50 years 1694 01:13:55,020 --> 01:13:53,230 and with that if they want that that 1695 01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:55,030 information disclosed or not and on what 1696 01:13:57,630 --> 01:13:57,250 level always beyond to the fault to my 1697 01:14:00,090 --> 01:13:57,640 cut 1698 01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:00,100 oh this guy saw UFO you know what a 1699 01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:00,730 jackass 1700 01:14:06,420 --> 01:14:03,520 you know that is a really powerful tool 1701 01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:06,430 for them to have in their tool bag if 1702 01:14:11,390 --> 01:14:09,730 they need to deny or deflect when it 1703 01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:11,400 comes to disclosing a certain program 1704 01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:15,610 that may be sensitive interesting you 1705 01:14:23,190 --> 01:14:16,480 have any thoughts on that 1706 01:14:25,950 --> 01:14:23,200 Vincent well like I said earlier Martin 1707 01:14:27,900 --> 01:14:25,960 it's so difficult for people that 1708 01:14:29,820 --> 01:14:27,910 keep a story straight and if there is a 1709 01:14:34,530 --> 01:14:29,830 program that said hey we're going to use 1710 01:14:36,330 --> 01:14:34,540 this affinity for people to wonder about 1711 01:14:38,580 --> 01:14:36,340 something and perpetuate that to hide 1712 01:14:39,540 --> 01:14:38,590 what we're doing it sounds fine and good 1713 01:14:40,830 --> 01:14:39,550 I guess 1714 01:14:43,470 --> 01:14:40,840 if they must have done it pretty well 1715 01:14:45,660 --> 01:14:43,480 because you would think think that it 1716 01:14:47,850 --> 01:14:45,670 would be a little more gnaw on that oh 1717 01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:47,860 yeah that well okay 1718 01:14:52,140 --> 01:14:49,810 that picture from Roswell or something I 1719 01:14:53,700 --> 01:14:52,150 don't know is turned out to be an f-117 1720 01:14:55,650 --> 01:14:53,710 or it turned out to be something else 1721 01:14:57,570 --> 01:14:55,660 there's still an element of this that 1722 01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:57,580 suggests that not everything has been 1723 01:15:01,500 --> 01:14:58,960 disclosed and there are still some 1724 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:01,510 things that are being covered and if so 1725 01:15:07,380 --> 01:15:04,570 good on them but in my experience it's 1726 01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:07,390 been very difficult to keep secrets now 1727 01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:10,719 that being said I am doing my best on my 1728 01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:13,210 podcast to continue to keep the secrets 1729 01:15:17,729 --> 01:15:16,210 that I've been privy to and so I guess 1730 01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:17,739 it's a little bit of a circular error or 1731 01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:20,800 a circular argument I'm making but I 1732 01:15:25,290 --> 01:15:23,440 just feel like certain things are just 1733 01:15:25,770 --> 01:15:25,300 difficult to keep covered up for very 1734 01:15:27,540 --> 01:15:25,780 long 1735 01:15:31,380 --> 01:15:27,550 when too many people are involved so I 1736 01:15:32,820 --> 01:15:31,390 don't know good one well gentlemen it's 1737 01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:32,830 been a pleasure as always 1738 01:15:38,250 --> 01:15:36,730 mr. Lewis I deeply appreciate having a 1739 01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:38,260 couple minutes to chat with you you're a 1740 01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:38,890 good friend 1741 01:15:43,410 --> 01:15:40,960 Tyler he's well and John we have to 1742 01:15:44,910 --> 01:15:43,420 we're gonna tie up again been a long 1743 01:15:47,820 --> 01:15:44,920 time since I saw you on the flight line 1744 01:15:49,890 --> 01:15:47,830 at whiting field and I look forward to 1745 01:15:51,780 --> 01:15:49,900 the web site so I'll have Martin do a 1746 01:15:53,459 --> 01:15:51,790 connection first and Tyler I'm gonna beg 1747 01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:53,469 you to come on the show not-too-distant 1748 01:15:55,979 --> 01:15:53,770 future 1749 01:15:57,420 --> 01:15:55,989 okay we'll make it happen alright 1750 01:16:00,209 --> 01:15:57,430 alright you guys be good congratulations 1751 01:16:03,959 --> 01:16:00,219 happy 2019 to all you alright Sam do you 1752 01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:03,969 ever take care good night Tyler I'm 1753 01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:06,480 going to ask you do you do you have a 1754 01:16:14,700 --> 01:16:11,250 well do you have a question for Vincent 1755 01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:14,710 you know I don't have my hands 1756 01:16:20,100 --> 01:16:17,650 I talked to pilots so often you know I 1757 01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:20,110 think I've gone through my rolodex of 1758 01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:22,570 questions a million times over yeah I 1759 01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:25,570 think it's cool he is he's interested in 1760 01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:28,450 this because you know I think everybody 1761 01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:30,250 and I wouldn't you've asked me earlier 1762 01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:33,250 about getting crap for reporting on UFOs 1763 01:16:39,870 --> 01:16:35,650 when there's not the topic that I do on 1764 01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:39,880 a daily basis at all and I believe 1765 01:16:43,260 --> 01:16:41,679 that I've always had a fascination with 1766 01:16:45,890 --> 01:16:43,270 the topic and I'm you know I am a 1767 01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:45,900 skeptic you know I'm not here to promote 1768 01:16:50,609 --> 01:16:48,159 something as real because I have many 1769 01:16:52,830 --> 01:16:50,619 intuition about I need information I'm 1770 01:16:54,959 --> 01:16:52,840 still not sold on a lot of things but 1771 01:16:58,410 --> 01:16:54,969 that being said I think anybody that's 1772 01:16:59,850 --> 01:16:58,420 in aerospace world man if they don't 1773 01:17:01,109 --> 01:16:59,860 have an interest in this 1774 01:17:02,490 --> 01:17:01,119 if this isn't something that least they 1775 01:17:04,859 --> 01:17:02,500 like you know they have just like a 1776 01:17:07,319 --> 01:17:04,869 tacit interest and think it's cool to to 1777 01:17:09,060 --> 01:17:07,329 think what if you know then I that's 1778 01:17:10,919 --> 01:17:09,070 somebody that I really haven't met I 1779 01:17:12,750 --> 01:17:10,929 need to know maybe they don't talk about 1780 01:17:15,390 --> 01:17:12,760 it a lot but it seems like there's 1781 01:17:17,129 --> 01:17:15,400 always you know some sort of interest in 1782 01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:17,139 it but they don't talk about it you know 1783 01:17:20,939 --> 01:17:18,400 it's something that they're not really 1784 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:20,949 apt to come out and say hey you know I 1785 01:17:24,839 --> 01:17:22,810 think this is even cool and I think it's 1786 01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:24,849 worth talking about it I've been you 1787 01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:26,560 know like the other yes here you know 1788 01:17:30,569 --> 01:17:28,719 I've been flying you know swords for X 1789 01:17:32,300 --> 01:17:30,579 amount of years and I'm interested in I 1790 01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:32,310 think it's a cool topic to discuss 1791 01:17:38,370 --> 01:17:35,290 breaking down those walls are going to 1792 01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:38,380 be what's key so you know I think it's 1793 01:17:42,540 --> 01:17:40,000 really cool that you're here and that 1794 01:17:44,069 --> 01:17:42,550 you're discussing it with us and and 1795 01:17:46,140 --> 01:17:44,079 that that's a really good step in the 1796 01:17:48,300 --> 01:17:46,150 right direction in a lot of ways I will 1797 01:17:51,810 --> 01:17:48,310 tell you this Tyler before he 1798 01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:51,820 interviewed David flavor he basically 1799 01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:54,250 had you know just thought that you know 1800 01:18:01,140 --> 01:17:57,280 Wakko saw UFOs he had no idea but 1801 01:18:03,959 --> 01:18:01,150 because he knew David from before and 1802 01:18:07,770 --> 01:18:03,969 and then you know did an eye to eye 1803 01:18:09,569 --> 01:18:07,780 interview he he totally you know 1804 01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:09,579 believes that did David saw something 1805 01:18:17,100 --> 01:18:13,810 very unusual and that that's under 1806 01:18:20,010 --> 01:18:17,110 exaggerating it really no not at all 1807 01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:20,020 there I believe there are people who saw 1808 01:18:24,030 --> 01:18:22,449 things unusual as you put it and that 1809 01:18:26,339 --> 01:18:24,040 they don't know what it is I have no 1810 01:18:28,410 --> 01:18:26,349 doubt about that I'm certainly not 1811 01:18:31,169 --> 01:18:28,420 prepared to say that they're wrong or to 1812 01:18:33,359 --> 01:18:31,179 explain what they saw or to agree that 1813 01:18:38,939 --> 01:18:33,369 it's from another universe or a galaxy 1814 01:18:43,319 --> 01:18:38,949 or whatever yeah and and Tyler can you 1815 01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:43,329 just can you explain about I believe you 1816 01:18:49,700 --> 01:18:46,090 were the first one to get the radio 1817 01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:49,710 recordings of of an encounter 1818 01:18:53,090 --> 01:18:51,690 we can you remind me which one that was 1819 01:18:56,780 --> 01:18:53,100 because I know those well there was one 1820 01:18:59,330 --> 01:18:56,790 word go ahead there was the Arizona one 1821 01:19:02,120 --> 01:18:59,340 and then there was the other Oregon one 1822 01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:02,130 so the Oregon one was really unique 1823 01:19:08,510 --> 01:19:04,050 because we just didn't get the you know 1824 01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:08,520 the ATC audio we are fully a request and 1825 01:19:12,890 --> 01:19:10,890 some of the work we did ended up giving 1826 01:19:14,930 --> 01:19:12,900 us a trove of information that was like 1827 01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:14,940 unheard of I mean we had all the calls 1828 01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:19,170 between FAA administrators and in real 1829 01:19:24,230 --> 01:19:21,510 time and and we had a lot in 1830 01:19:27,170 --> 01:19:24,240 investigations with the pilots all audio 1831 01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:27,180 on it so as well as the radar data and 1832 01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:28,890 some of the staple stuff that you see 1833 01:19:32,510 --> 01:19:31,110 and the big takeaway I tell people on 1834 01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:32,520 this and then like I say it's something 1835 01:19:36,260 --> 01:19:35,280 that's really not convenient for a lot 1836 01:19:39,980 --> 01:19:36,270 of people that are really enthusiastic 1837 01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:39,990 about this topic is that it's very clear 1838 01:19:46,700 --> 01:19:44,250 that the FAA this is a very rare account 1839 01:19:48,860 --> 01:19:46,710 of a rare occurrence for the FAA 1840 01:19:51,170 --> 01:19:48,870 something that's like seen by multiple 1841 01:19:53,540 --> 01:19:51,180 people that happens over a long period 1842 01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:53,550 of time and where you know it can be 1843 01:19:57,170 --> 01:19:55,050 investigated and the military is 1844 01:19:59,360 --> 01:19:57,180 involved it's not something that happens 1845 01:20:01,040 --> 01:19:59,370 all the time we know that because we 1846 01:20:03,530 --> 01:20:01,050 have the calls with quality control back 1847 01:20:05,870 --> 01:20:03,540 in DC and they don't even know how to 1848 01:20:08,150 --> 01:20:05,880 classify what is really a very 1849 01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:08,160 interesting event but also a fairly 1850 01:20:14,210 --> 01:20:12,210 basic event so it's not like these are 1851 01:20:15,470 --> 01:20:14,220 happening every day and everything that 1852 01:20:18,260 --> 01:20:15,480 you know there's just they're covering 1853 01:20:19,850 --> 01:20:18,270 all this up it's rare and that's what 1854 01:20:21,890 --> 01:20:19,860 made that account and all that 1855 01:20:23,690 --> 01:20:21,900 information we got so great is because 1856 01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:23,700 we know was a rare event and we know so 1857 01:20:26,900 --> 01:20:24,330 much about it 1858 01:20:32,150 --> 01:20:26,910 can you can you tell the story of what 1859 01:20:36,710 --> 01:20:32,160 actually happened yeah so it was the end 1860 01:20:41,390 --> 01:20:36,720 of October I think is October 25th 2017 1861 01:20:43,730 --> 01:20:41,400 there was a object that showed up on 1862 01:20:45,410 --> 01:20:43,740 Oakland Center's radar and they called 1863 01:20:47,210 --> 01:20:45,420 it you know a fast mover he was moving 1864 01:20:50,620 --> 01:20:47,220 the very we don't know how fast really 1865 01:20:53,060 --> 01:20:50,630 but the point to the point that the ATC 1866 01:20:56,150 --> 01:20:53,070 the guy that was there at the thermal 1867 01:20:57,740 --> 01:20:56,160 control he was like stunned by it and it 1868 01:21:01,370 --> 01:20:57,750 was moving to the south that it took a 1869 01:21:03,420 --> 01:21:01,380 very hard right to the north and started 1870 01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:03,430 speed speeding kind of toward the word 1871 01:21:10,260 --> 01:21:08,050 border and by the time by the time the 1872 01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:10,270 sort of you know they reacted to it this 1873 01:21:15,300 --> 01:21:12,250 craft was flying kind of by Crater Lake 1874 01:21:18,740 --> 01:21:15,310 Area Klamath Falls Crater Lake area and 1875 01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:18,750 other aircraft like three other aircraft 1876 01:21:23,700 --> 01:21:21,730 737s you know airliners pilots who are 1877 01:21:26,670 --> 01:21:23,710 looking at it and it was cruising along 1878 01:21:28,530 --> 01:21:26,680 a little bit faster than they were up in 1879 01:21:30,510 --> 01:21:28,540 the flight levels above them and they 1880 01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:30,520 couldn't make it out what it was aside 1881 01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:32,610 from that it was white from the 1882 01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:34,480 investigations we know that the pilots 1883 01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:36,280 is much larger than like a Learjet it 1884 01:21:41,370 --> 01:21:39,280 was the size of a large airliner and 1885 01:21:43,860 --> 01:21:41,380 this went on it's not like they just saw 1886 01:21:46,170 --> 01:21:43,870 it and disappeared it continued on as 1887 01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:46,180 they moved up the Willamette Valley and 1888 01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:50,410 by the time it sort of approached the 1889 01:21:55,670 --> 01:21:53,050 Portland area past Eugene if you're 1890 01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:55,680 familiar with kind of that i-5 corridor 1891 01:22:01,080 --> 01:21:59,440 the f-15 is not a Portland which you 1892 01:22:03,780 --> 01:22:01,090 know the top unit they're an air defense 1893 01:22:05,220 --> 01:22:03,790 unit that there's really good hardware 1894 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:05,230 to I mean they're they're highly 1895 01:22:09,900 --> 01:22:07,210 equipped for the don't renewable Eagle 1896 01:22:12,630 --> 01:22:09,910 or sovereignty mission they launched on 1897 01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:12,640 a work by this time these airplanes were 1898 01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:13,930 watching this thing 1899 01:22:18,540 --> 01:22:16,690 it was getting dark so that you know 1900 01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:18,550 they were kind of losing it as it will 1901 01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:19,840 you know the Sun was setting they're 1902 01:22:24,450 --> 01:22:22,960 starting to send into Portland so this 1903 01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:24,460 thing kept moving north by all accounts 1904 01:22:29,940 --> 01:22:27,250 and it was it was not tracked on radar 1905 01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:29,950 past that first moment everybody was 1906 01:22:34,260 --> 01:22:32,170 looking for the military was looking for 1907 01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:34,270 it FAA was looking for and they could 1908 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:36,130 not see it it didn't show up as a 1909 01:22:42,330 --> 01:22:39,850 primary on radar so over that whole time 1910 01:22:44,700 --> 01:22:42,340 not intermittently that whole time and 1911 01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:44,710 so by the time the uptick teens went up 1912 01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:48,610 and scrambled they could only really set 1913 01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:50,650 up a combat air patrol like just north 1914 01:22:55,620 --> 01:22:52,930 of the city kind of over Vancouver and 1915 01:22:57,300 --> 01:22:55,630 you know look around with it with with 1916 01:22:59,210 --> 01:22:57,310 their radars and seem to defy anything 1917 01:23:02,010 --> 01:22:59,220 and they couldn't find anything at all 1918 01:23:03,570 --> 01:23:02,020 and that and literally that is the story 1919 01:23:06,270 --> 01:23:03,580 I mean with some a lot of little details 1920 01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:06,280 in between but that is what happened and 1921 01:23:11,850 --> 01:23:10,000 it happened it's not it wasn't you know 1922 01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:11,860 some balloon or anything like this this 1923 01:23:16,770 --> 01:23:14,410 is real this is this happen in the 1924 01:23:17,370 --> 01:23:16,780 military even NORAD which we talked to 1925 01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:17,380 which is 1926 01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:19,210 subject Freedom of Information Act 1927 01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:21,040 requests it's a little bit different how 1928 01:23:24,060 --> 01:23:22,690 you got to handle them and work with 1929 01:23:26,940 --> 01:23:24,070 them and usually they're really cool to 1930 01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:26,950 work with you know if they were the 1931 01:23:30,660 --> 01:23:28,330 first to tell me on the phone they're 1932 01:23:34,140 --> 01:23:30,670 like hey yeah we don't know what it was 1933 01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:34,150 it was white and we scrambled can find 1934 01:23:38,430 --> 01:23:37,210 it and eventually the FAA confirmed it 1935 01:23:40,500 --> 01:23:38,440 and that's when we ran with the story 1936 01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:40,510 and started building it out but what 1937 01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:41,920 happened once we got all the faa 1938 01:23:47,340 --> 01:23:43,600 information it totally changed it became 1939 01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:47,350 a much more deep event you know we could 1940 01:23:53,460 --> 01:23:50,530 really feel how unique this was and it 1941 01:23:55,530 --> 01:23:53,470 was a really cool opportunity for us to 1942 01:23:57,450 --> 01:23:55,540 pull back that curtain and really show 1943 01:24:00,030 --> 01:23:57,460 people the reality of what this looks 1944 01:24:02,340 --> 01:24:00,040 like you know not the TV version not the 1945 01:24:04,860 --> 01:24:02,350 movie version really what what happens 1946 01:24:06,570 --> 01:24:04,870 when something is unidentified and 1947 01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:06,580 detected in airspace and seen by 1948 01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:09,130 multiple trained observers people that 1949 01:24:12,390 --> 01:24:10,570 have you're in my lives in their hands 1950 01:24:15,390 --> 01:24:12,400 on a daily basis flying us around the 1951 01:24:17,370 --> 01:24:15,400 United States and so yeah this is a 1952 01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:17,380 really cool event and we're very lucky 1953 01:24:22,500 --> 01:24:19,450 to have the information we have great 1954 01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:22,510 Wow very interesting well I want to I 1955 01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:25,810 want to thank you Vincent for hanging in 1956 01:24:31,860 --> 01:24:29,170 for extra time here I really do 1957 01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:31,870 appreciate it and so people can check 1958 01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:34,570 out your podcast and say it one more 1959 01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:37,090 time how they can find it you're welcome 1960 01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:39,040 Martin it's been fun being here with you 1961 01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:40,810 today and nice to meet Tyler rogue away 1962 01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:44,320 my podcast is thanks very much 1963 01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:47,370 it is fighter-pilot podcast.com 1964 01:24:53,100 --> 01:24:50,370 excellent all right okay thanks a lot 1965 01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:53,110 Vincent I really had a good time and I 1966 01:24:57,390 --> 01:24:56,170 appreciate you coming on the show you're 1967 01:25:04,410 --> 01:24:57,400 welcome it was my pleasure 1968 01:25:06,780 --> 01:25:04,420 all right okay so Tyler let's see I when 1969 01:25:09,210 --> 01:25:06,790 when a a plane is actually like a 1970 01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:09,220 commercial plane or even a private plane 1971 01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:11,950 do they have do they have a lot of 1972 01:25:17,730 --> 01:25:14,320 transponder or some way to know that 1973 01:25:20,730 --> 01:25:17,740 it's actually a plane instead of you 1974 01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:20,740 know just an unknown right yeah 1975 01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:22,570 absolutely there's a transponder that 1976 01:25:27,300 --> 01:25:25,930 gives them the altitude the aircraft you 1977 01:25:29,010 --> 01:25:27,310 know gives the basic information about 1978 01:25:31,709 --> 01:25:29,020 what what the aircraft is otherwise 1979 01:25:34,470 --> 01:25:31,719 without that that that system 1980 01:25:35,970 --> 01:25:34,480 at best they have a primary contact 1981 01:25:38,939 --> 01:25:35,980 which usually just gives them a position 1982 01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:38,949 and you know a primary radar like that 1983 01:25:44,250 --> 01:25:41,679 it's not perfect so even non stealthy 1984 01:25:46,500 --> 01:25:44,260 targets can be intermittent you know you 1985 01:25:49,259 --> 01:25:46,510 can environmental factors and 1986 01:25:51,149 --> 01:25:49,269 limitations of the gear etc to interfere 1987 01:25:54,509 --> 01:25:51,159 sometimes with having a really steady 1988 01:25:56,669 --> 01:25:54,519 blip on a radar of an aircraft okay but 1989 01:25:58,379 --> 01:25:56,679 what made this so interesting is not 1990 01:26:00,120 --> 01:25:58,389 only did not have a trans powder and it 1991 01:26:02,100 --> 01:26:00,130 was not communicating with nor doe was 1992 01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:02,110 not communicating with FAA air traffic 1993 01:26:08,729 --> 01:26:04,050 controllers or any aircrafts around it 1994 01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:08,739 but once it disappeared off radar after 1995 01:26:13,140 --> 01:26:10,449 that first you know like I said that 1996 01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:13,150 real fast moved south over Northern 1997 01:26:17,069 --> 01:26:15,280 California it was gone 1998 01:26:18,899 --> 01:26:17,079 it did not exist in radar at all they 1999 01:26:21,959 --> 01:26:18,909 could not get it and you hear in the 2000 01:26:23,609 --> 01:26:21,969 tapes the FAA and the military talks 2001 01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:23,619 about trying to look for it you didn't 2002 01:26:28,259 --> 01:26:25,360 even just getting a primary return on it 2003 01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:28,269 and it can't so what they did was they 2004 01:26:32,669 --> 01:26:30,730 used the airliners in the vicinity to 2005 01:26:35,729 --> 01:26:32,679 give them you know updates reports on 2006 01:26:37,950 --> 01:26:35,739 what they could see and you know they're 2007 01:26:40,379 --> 01:26:37,960 not like your your past guests here you 2008 01:26:41,759 --> 01:26:40,389 know they're not an f-18 or not 15 where 2009 01:26:43,919 --> 01:26:41,769 they you can go and check the thing out 2010 01:26:45,419 --> 01:26:43,929 I mean they could but that's probably 2011 01:26:46,979 --> 01:26:45,429 that's not a it's not a good decision 2012 01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:46,989 especially you don't know what it is 2013 01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:50,530 right so you're limited sort of to you 2014 01:26:54,930 --> 01:26:52,570 know they carry on your path give us a 2015 01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:54,940 report of what you see and we'll try to 2016 01:26:59,370 --> 01:26:57,280 keep a location on the object that way 2017 01:27:02,669 --> 01:26:59,380 so yeah it was very much an eyewitness 2018 01:27:04,859 --> 01:27:02,679 account after the first initial contact 2019 01:27:06,569 --> 01:27:04,869 on on radar and it did not have a 2020 01:27:06,959 --> 01:27:06,579 transponder I don't believe at that time 2021 01:27:09,239 --> 01:27:06,969 either 2022 01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:09,249 there was no I don't believe there was a 2023 01:27:16,049 --> 01:27:11,610 transponder signal at the time and 2024 01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:16,059 recently you did a really nice article I 2025 01:27:21,839 --> 01:27:18,730 don't know if it was you or your partner 2026 01:27:27,330 --> 01:27:21,849 there one of your co-workers wrote on 2027 01:27:30,299 --> 01:27:27,340 the Irish on the Irish encounter was 2028 01:27:32,100 --> 01:27:30,309 that you they wrote that yeah yeah and 2029 01:27:35,129 --> 01:27:32,110 we were together we did some quick 2030 01:27:37,140 --> 01:27:35,139 research on that deal yeah yeah that was 2031 01:27:40,319 --> 01:27:37,150 that was a wild one I mean that was one 2032 01:27:42,299 --> 01:27:40,329 that you know once again trained 2033 01:27:43,529 --> 01:27:42,309 observers you have and not I mean when 2034 01:27:45,070 --> 01:27:43,539 you talk about pilots they're all great 2035 01:27:46,750 --> 01:27:45,080 you know I'm not saying that you know 2036 01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:46,760 that there's a difference really but 2037 01:27:51,460 --> 01:27:48,800 these are inter you know international 2038 01:27:53,230 --> 01:27:51,470 flights that are flying mainly so so 2039 01:27:54,490 --> 01:27:53,240 these are really experienced air crews 2040 01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:54,500 that were flying 2041 01:27:58,900 --> 01:27:56,330 you know crossing Atlantic to you know 2042 01:28:01,870 --> 01:27:58,910 go head to Europe or whatever that saw 2043 01:28:05,860 --> 01:28:01,880 that's you know craft and and multiple 2044 01:28:06,700 --> 01:28:05,870 angles of it or whatever it was and you 2045 01:28:09,250 --> 01:28:06,710 know that was another one of those 2046 01:28:13,870 --> 01:28:09,260 things that we've looked into afterwards 2047 01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:13,880 but we're dealing with you know Ireland 2048 01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:15,890 and their rules everything else it's a 2049 01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:17,450 little bit different than getting 2050 01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:19,250 information out of it then you know 2051 01:28:23,700 --> 01:28:20,810 we'll we know here with the FAA which is 2052 01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:23,710 actually FAA is pretty cool about 2053 01:28:28,060 --> 01:28:26,210 working with us and I can't give those 2054 01:28:30,820 --> 01:28:28,070 guys a high-five enough really because 2055 01:28:33,390 --> 01:28:30,830 they haven't generally there's been some 2056 01:28:35,620 --> 01:28:33,400 hiccups but we had a thing even over 2057 01:28:37,690 --> 01:28:35,630 Long Island another thing that I 2058 01:28:39,070 --> 01:28:37,700 reported on that I found the aircrew and 2059 01:28:41,620 --> 01:28:39,080 talked to them about what they saw that 2060 01:28:44,110 --> 01:28:41,630 was a smaller saw a very bright light 2061 01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:44,120 over Long Island very congested area 2062 01:28:50,830 --> 01:28:49,280 yeah yeah and you know FAA usually you 2063 01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:50,840 know if it's not logged like this this 2064 01:28:55,780 --> 01:28:53,810 Oregon thing was a bigger deal but like 2065 01:28:58,030 --> 01:28:55,790 the Arizona thing I that was my story 2066 01:28:59,950 --> 01:28:58,040 you know everybody stole it but that was 2067 01:29:02,650 --> 01:28:59,960 us we did that we recreated forensically 2068 01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:02,660 recreated white and found out where it 2069 01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:05,690 was when it was went to the FAA and said 2070 01:29:09,430 --> 01:29:08,090 I we want the tape because we know we 2071 01:29:11,260 --> 01:29:09,440 think that there was a sighting by 2072 01:29:14,290 --> 01:29:11,270 multiple aircraft of an unidentified 2073 01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:14,300 aircraft or flying object some sort at 2074 01:29:19,180 --> 01:29:17,450 very high altitudes meaning at or above 2075 01:29:23,730 --> 01:29:19,190 airliner traffic levels the flight 2076 01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:23,740 levels 35,000 plus and you know 2077 01:29:29,410 --> 01:29:26,570 Albuquerque Center the main guy there 2078 01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:29,420 well I mean that that audio immediately 2079 01:29:32,260 --> 01:29:31,130 you know they knew who we were and 2080 01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:32,270 they've been awesome 2081 01:29:37,810 --> 01:29:34,880 well that's so you know what typical or 2082 01:29:39,430 --> 01:29:37,820 a has not you probably know this and I'm 2083 01:29:42,130 --> 01:29:39,440 sorry I didn't mean to step over what 2084 01:29:44,650 --> 01:29:42,140 you were saying there god it has been 2085 01:29:47,020 --> 01:29:44,660 like pulling teeth when it comes to the 2086 01:29:49,390 --> 01:29:47,030 FAA in the past so I think there's 2087 01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:49,400 there's that must be some type of change 2088 01:29:54,970 --> 01:29:52,250 or perhaps they just respect what you're 2089 01:29:56,620 --> 01:29:54,980 doing and they will you know they will 2090 01:29:57,540 --> 01:29:56,630 be more lenient with you than they will 2091 01:30:01,380 --> 01:29:57,550 you know the average 2092 01:30:02,940 --> 01:30:01,390 go out there you know I can't I can't 2093 01:30:05,910 --> 01:30:02,950 you know answer that I don't know for 2094 01:30:07,530 --> 01:30:05,920 sure but you know I just tell them 2095 01:30:08,730 --> 01:30:07,540 listen you can give it to us or we can 2096 01:30:10,050 --> 01:30:08,740 foil it and we can go through the 2097 01:30:12,630 --> 01:30:10,060 process I just want waste your time 2098 01:30:14,550 --> 01:30:12,640 doing that because it's just a TC audio 2099 01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:14,560 it's not you know it's not like 2100 01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:16,000 classified material here that you need 2101 01:30:21,170 --> 01:30:18,610 to be you know big laughs like I'm just 2102 01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:21,180 you know when it comes to all this like 2103 01:30:24,930 --> 01:30:24,610 when I died I did I followed this my 2104 01:30:27,690 --> 01:30:24,940 whole life 2105 01:30:30,270 --> 01:30:27,700 I've been interested in it and you know 2106 01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:30,280 also because of the military side of it 2107 01:30:34,860 --> 01:30:32,370 right because most in multiple ways 2108 01:30:37,980 --> 01:30:34,870 because sometimes what people see could 2109 01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:37,990 be built the best projects and not you 2110 01:30:43,590 --> 01:30:41,890 know UFOs in the classical sense but I 2111 01:30:45,330 --> 01:30:43,600 really are really gonna tell you like 2112 01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:45,340 the community hurts itself more that 2113 01:30:49,620 --> 01:30:47,890 helps itself in most ways I hate to say 2114 01:30:53,010 --> 01:30:49,630 it I say this every radio show I'm on 2115 01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:53,020 you know yeah they just they don't you 2116 01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:56,050 know instead of I get a lot of 2117 01:31:00,300 --> 01:30:57,610 correspondence from people about this 2118 01:31:03,420 --> 01:31:00,310 topic and a lot of it is very aggressive 2119 01:31:04,860 --> 01:31:03,430 very you know like this is what you know 2120 01:31:06,210 --> 01:31:04,870 it's a viewpoint that they're not 2121 01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:06,220 they're only willing to look at and I 2122 01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:07,690 think that comes through as well when 2123 01:31:11,970 --> 01:31:10,210 people want to go and talk to the 2124 01:31:14,070 --> 01:31:11,980 government about it and say hey you know 2125 01:31:15,780 --> 01:31:14,080 we'd like to know more about this it 2126 01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:15,790 helps that I'm a defense writer and I 2127 01:31:19,980 --> 01:31:17,650 know how that world works a little bit 2128 01:31:22,020 --> 01:31:19,990 and you know when they go to my site 2129 01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:22,030 they don't see UFOs they see you know 2130 01:31:27,420 --> 01:31:24,810 military news defensives technology news 2131 01:31:30,510 --> 01:31:27,430 all that all that goes into it probably 2132 01:31:32,250 --> 01:31:30,520 you know but I'd like it'd be nice if 2133 01:31:33,480 --> 01:31:32,260 they treated everybody the same but I'm 2134 01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:33,490 gonna tell anybody that's out there 2135 01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:35,050 listening to your show that maybe has an 2136 01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:37,090 incident that they're interested in and 2137 01:31:41,220 --> 01:31:38,770 that they'd like to go in you know ask 2138 01:31:43,650 --> 01:31:41,230 about like just be as professional as 2139 01:31:46,770 --> 01:31:43,660 possible you know be as respectful and 2140 01:31:49,740 --> 01:31:46,780 professional as possible do not do not 2141 01:31:51,660 --> 01:31:49,750 tell them what this was do not bring 2142 01:31:53,130 --> 01:31:51,670 anything else into it and I think you 2143 01:31:55,230 --> 01:31:53,140 have a better shot of there taking 2144 01:31:56,490 --> 01:31:55,240 seriously and getting some good data 2145 01:31:59,520 --> 01:31:56,500 that maybe will change the perspective 2146 01:32:01,620 --> 01:31:59,530 of what happened and there's also many 2147 01:32:03,150 --> 01:32:01,630 tools out there guys many tools out 2148 01:32:05,490 --> 01:32:03,160 there now that there weren't you know 10 2149 01:32:08,580 --> 01:32:05,500 years ago when it comes to just tracking 2150 01:32:10,850 --> 01:32:08,590 air traffic that you can use when you 2151 01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:10,860 see something weird in the sky and you 2152 01:32:16,220 --> 01:32:12,449 want to say gosh what was that well you 2153 01:32:18,649 --> 01:32:16,230 can go to flightradar24 and you can go 2154 01:32:20,540 --> 01:32:18,659 and draw a little roll back you know 2155 01:32:22,189 --> 01:32:20,550 that all the trans pounder signals at 2156 01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:22,199 that time in your area you can visually 2157 01:32:26,140 --> 01:32:24,449 see it you know I want to bring this up 2158 01:32:28,250 --> 01:32:26,150 this is really important 2159 01:32:31,850 --> 01:32:28,260 debunking is the most powerful thing 2160 01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:31,860 anybody can do in the on this topic if 2161 01:32:37,129 --> 01:32:34,080 you can go and say this was a military 2162 01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:37,139 aircraft here's why you're wrong or this 2163 01:32:40,910 --> 01:32:38,610 was a play on light this is the most 2164 01:32:42,890 --> 01:32:40,920 powerful tool because there's enough 2165 01:32:46,310 --> 01:32:42,900 weird stuff that we have not been able 2166 01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:46,320 to explain that if you waste time and 2167 01:33:06,439 --> 01:32:48,210 try to push things that are explainable 2168 01:33:08,930 --> 01:33:06,449 it makes you unconditional to tell a 2169 01:33:11,270 --> 01:33:08,940 real quick story about that and that is 2170 01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:11,280 in Utah I believe was Utah recently 2171 01:33:17,810 --> 01:33:14,159 there was some filmmakers filming with a 2172 01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:17,820 drone and they filmed this unusual 2173 01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:21,090 object and you know when it went semi 2174 01:33:28,070 --> 01:33:24,690 viral I'd have to say and Mark D Antonio 2175 01:33:32,990 --> 01:33:28,080 he's a video analyst he's also a special 2176 01:33:35,810 --> 01:33:33,000 effects guy and and a friend and he said 2177 01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:35,820 you know I believe it's either a falcon 2178 01:33:40,970 --> 01:33:39,330 or a hawk chasing the drone and he went 2179 01:33:44,510 --> 01:33:40,980 into all these different graphs he it 2180 01:33:45,979 --> 01:33:44,520 was very thorough and you know a lot of 2181 01:33:47,810 --> 01:33:45,989 people came back and they said well you 2182 01:33:49,729 --> 01:33:47,820 know what I believe he's right wouldn't 2183 01:33:54,830 --> 01:33:49,739 the bottom line is wouldn't we rather 2184 01:33:56,930 --> 01:33:54,840 know than to carry on like what like you 2185 01:34:01,280 --> 01:33:56,940 were saying there's enough weird stuff 2186 01:34:03,770 --> 01:34:01,290 out there to not have to worry about you 2187 01:34:06,350 --> 01:34:03,780 know hanging on to the belief of 2188 01:34:10,609 --> 01:34:06,360 something just because it's a it's hard 2189 01:34:12,919 --> 01:34:10,619 to identify it first yeah and everybody 2190 01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:12,929 I found there's a huge issue with this 2191 01:34:17,750 --> 01:34:15,570 community that so many people want to 2192 01:34:19,970 --> 01:34:17,760 have some special connection to it they 2193 01:34:21,589 --> 01:34:19,980 want to oh I this happened to me I had 2194 01:34:23,089 --> 01:34:21,599 you know I had this experience man I 2195 01:34:24,270 --> 01:34:23,099 have been shooting here crab him a 2196 01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:24,280 photographer you know 2197 01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:25,690 pretty well accomplished in this field 2198 01:34:30,450 --> 01:34:28,690 only Aviation okay I've been looking the 2199 01:34:32,730 --> 01:34:30,460 sky with high-powered high you know 2200 01:34:35,010 --> 01:34:32,740 expensive gear at military bases around 2201 01:34:37,530 --> 01:34:35,020 the United States for years okay every 2202 01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:37,540 aircraft you can imagine and I've never 2203 01:34:42,150 --> 01:34:40,000 seen one thing I could not explain okay 2204 01:34:43,410 --> 01:34:42,160 not one and that's not saying that 2205 01:34:45,180 --> 01:34:43,420 they're art I think they're you know 2206 01:34:47,250 --> 01:34:45,190 obviously well I'm on your show I think 2207 01:34:50,070 --> 01:34:47,260 there are just I report on these things 2208 01:34:52,290 --> 01:34:50,080 so there are I'm just saying it like I 2209 01:34:54,900 --> 01:34:52,300 get a lot of pushback from people that 2210 01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:54,910 want to have their experience validated 2211 01:34:58,710 --> 01:34:57,250 and if you say anything that isn't it's 2212 01:35:01,050 --> 01:34:58,720 like you just mentioned that drone video 2213 01:35:02,220 --> 01:35:01,060 I said the exact same thing Sodom in 2214 01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:02,230 social media Twitter 2215 01:35:05,340 --> 01:35:03,850 I said Manson bird flying at the camera 2216 01:35:06,090 --> 01:35:05,350 I look at video all the time it's not 2217 01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:06,100 nothing 2218 01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:07,570 oh just like a little thing a little 2219 01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:09,610 sparrow or hawk or something flying at 2220 01:35:15,480 --> 01:35:12,730 the camera yeah it move on you know dad 2221 01:35:17,190 --> 01:35:15,490 you know its aggressive a real quick 2222 01:35:18,810 --> 01:35:17,200 thing I want to share about this and I 2223 01:35:22,020 --> 01:35:18,820 think I think this validates everything 2224 01:35:24,390 --> 01:35:22,030 that I thought we're talking about there 2225 01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:24,400 was I woke up one morning and there was 2226 01:35:29,790 --> 01:35:27,730 all these tweets about a a potential 2227 01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:29,800 missile launch over Whidbey Island I'm 2228 01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:30,970 from the Pacific Northwest 2229 01:35:35,460 --> 01:35:33,010 okay that's up north of Seattle in 2230 01:35:39,330 --> 01:35:35,470 Washington beautiful place in the Puget 2231 01:35:41,010 --> 01:35:39,340 Sound there oh yeah and yeah yeah yeah 2232 01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:41,020 and there's this guy Donna had a really 2233 01:35:45,450 --> 01:35:42,970 nice weather station right credible guy 2234 01:35:47,340 --> 01:35:45,460 not not a not some weirdo guy that makes 2235 01:35:48,930 --> 01:35:47,350 things up and he caught something to 2236 01:35:51,450 --> 01:35:48,940 look really amazing on a weather station 2237 01:35:53,940 --> 01:35:51,460 camera and and I first looked at it and 2238 01:35:55,740 --> 01:35:53,950 I said oh my god that that looks like a 2239 01:35:57,450 --> 01:35:55,750 missile watch now there's nothing up 2240 01:35:59,370 --> 01:35:57,460 there that launches missiles there's no 2241 01:36:01,620 --> 01:35:59,380 rocket launches people have no idea what 2242 01:36:02,940 --> 01:36:01,630 it takes to actually pull that off or do 2243 01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:02,950 that where it wouldn't be noticed by the 2244 01:36:07,590 --> 01:36:05,530 whole community immediately I mean so 2245 01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:07,600 immediately this is what I do I D buck 2246 01:36:12,450 --> 01:36:09,610 that's that's our job that's our best 2247 01:36:15,470 --> 01:36:12,460 post we do or develop goes so we leapt 2248 01:36:18,090 --> 01:36:15,480 into it and within six hours I had 2249 01:36:20,910 --> 01:36:18,100 totally solved that deal and had 2250 01:36:24,870 --> 01:36:20,920 actually gone found out the aircraft 2251 01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:24,880 that flew over talked to had the the 2252 01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:26,770 business that owned it was an air 2253 01:36:31,230 --> 01:36:28,930 ambulance helicopter talked to the 2254 01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:31,240 pilots behind me like configuration of 2255 01:36:35,370 --> 01:36:33,970 the aircraft and it's all lined up as 2256 01:36:37,530 --> 01:36:35,380 well as just my knowledge of photography 2257 01:36:38,250 --> 01:36:37,540 and do time-lapse photography you know 2258 01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:38,260 mastering that 2259 01:36:42,540 --> 01:36:39,850 art which is a hard art master 2260 01:36:44,370 --> 01:36:42,550 time-lapse night photography hmm Wow so 2261 01:36:46,410 --> 01:36:44,380 we totally debunked this this was 2262 01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:46,420 totally debunked this was a helicopter 2263 01:36:50,100 --> 01:36:47,770 that flew over and it's an optical 2264 01:36:52,380 --> 01:36:50,110 illusion on the camera with how it looks 2265 01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:52,390 like a missile being launched okay I 2266 01:37:00,990 --> 01:36:54,850 mean 100% could recreate if I had okay 2267 01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:01,000 and the the blowback was like worse than 2268 01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:03,010 anything I've ever seen on any post 2269 01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:06,970 probably any political poster I know I 2270 01:37:14,610 --> 01:37:10,810 know it was it was Brett's be you know 2271 01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:14,620 deep state this you can't imagine and 2272 01:37:18,210 --> 01:37:16,480 and it wasn't this wasn't your fault 2273 01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:18,220 people okay this wasn't the people are 2274 01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:20,290 into this topic this was another subset 2275 01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:22,690 that were mainly into this but the 2276 01:37:29,730 --> 01:37:27,610 reality is people don't like having what 2277 01:37:31,260 --> 01:37:29,740 they think is something really special 2278 01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:31,270 that they have an inside connection to 2279 01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:34,810 being told it's not real and having 2280 01:37:40,740 --> 01:37:37,450 evidence to support it for the UFO 2281 01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:40,750 community we that needs to be totally 2282 01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:42,490 embraced that is that should be the 2283 01:37:48,150 --> 01:37:44,770 modus operandi that if it can be thrown 2284 01:37:49,980 --> 01:37:48,160 out in any way it is and we move on to 2285 01:37:51,930 --> 01:37:49,990 those experiences those things that 2286 01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:51,940 happen that truly have no explanation 2287 01:37:55,140 --> 01:37:53,650 and then we know there could be 2288 01:37:58,770 --> 01:37:55,150 something larger there 2289 01:38:01,680 --> 01:37:58,780 well it's and the problem yeah go ahead 2290 01:38:03,870 --> 01:38:01,690 sorry oh and I my final point is is the 2291 01:38:06,660 --> 01:38:03,880 problem is it's like I don't get paid to 2292 01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:06,670 write books about UFOs you know I get 2293 01:38:10,290 --> 01:38:08,290 paid a report on stuff that's truthful 2294 01:38:11,220 --> 01:38:10,300 the best my ability nobody's perfect I 2295 01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:11,230 do my very best 2296 01:38:17,460 --> 01:38:15,130 okay yeah well you know this community 2297 01:38:20,910 --> 01:38:17,470 is infested with people that make money 2298 01:38:22,770 --> 01:38:20,920 on not you eight yeah that's that there 2299 01:38:24,480 --> 01:38:22,780 may be a little bit there there's a few 2300 01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:24,490 that make money on it there's not too 2301 01:38:28,670 --> 01:38:25,810 many people that make money on it 2302 01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:28,680 there's a lot of people trying to but 2303 01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:32,490 that that always can muddy the water and 2304 01:38:38,460 --> 01:38:35,170 make things more sensational and you 2305 01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:38,470 know I've seen some cases could be that 2306 01:38:41,190 --> 01:38:39,730 you're just really good at your job you 2307 01:38:43,020 --> 01:38:41,200 do a great job you deserve all the money 2308 01:38:45,570 --> 01:38:43,030 in the world yeah where I have a problem 2309 01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:45,580 with is when I see I see guys are very 2310 01:38:49,950 --> 01:38:47,410 good at this that are very big names in 2311 01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:49,960 this community they're on TV a lot okay 2312 01:38:53,970 --> 01:38:52,000 and they push stuff that if 2313 01:38:57,060 --> 01:38:53,980 I if I didn't have the knowledge I do 2314 01:38:58,650 --> 01:38:57,070 about the history of contestant programs 2315 01:39:01,680 --> 01:38:58,660 especially at area 51 2316 01:39:03,630 --> 01:39:01,690 man I would believe this I would say my 2317 01:39:06,060 --> 01:39:03,640 gosh this is amazing this is a deathbed 2318 01:39:07,590 --> 01:39:06,070 confession of UFOs and Lockheed 2319 01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:07,600 skunkworks is involved in I would 2320 01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:10,960 believe it 100% it's that good but when 2321 01:39:16,230 --> 01:39:13,330 you go to a specialist looks at it it's 2322 01:39:18,510 --> 01:39:16,240 absolute crap it's just it's just junk 2323 01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:18,520 it's just perpetuating a bunch of stuff 2324 01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:20,890 down online it doesn't even even line up 2325 01:39:25,260 --> 01:39:22,450 with things that we know about in 2326 01:39:27,810 --> 01:39:25,270 history so I'm passionate about this 2327 01:39:29,550 --> 01:39:27,820 because I think that if this is ever to 2328 01:39:31,380 --> 01:39:29,560 be taken seriously and people they're 2329 01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:31,390 ever ever engaged and we actually get 2330 01:39:36,690 --> 01:39:33,210 somewhere with this with this topic 2331 01:39:40,290 --> 01:39:36,700 we're gonna need to be skeptics first 2332 01:39:41,970 --> 01:39:40,300 and believers second mmm-hmm and no 2333 01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:41,980 matter where and no matter where the 2334 01:39:47,100 --> 01:39:44,770 cards fall maybe it's maybe the answer 2335 01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:47,110 isn't what you wanted the truth is what 2336 01:39:51,150 --> 01:39:49,210 matters that's right and they're worse 2337 01:39:54,420 --> 01:39:51,160 you know I'll point this out at in 2338 01:39:56,460 --> 01:39:54,430 Project Blue Book out of the 10,000 2339 01:39:59,190 --> 01:39:56,470 cases there were 700 that they just 2340 01:40:01,890 --> 01:39:59,200 could not explain and so there are there 2341 01:40:04,230 --> 01:40:01,900 is enough out there now I would I would 2342 01:40:07,290 --> 01:40:04,240 suggest not to use the word debunk so 2343 01:40:08,220 --> 01:40:07,300 much explain is actually a better word 2344 01:40:12,210 --> 01:40:08,230 for it 2345 01:40:15,390 --> 01:40:12,220 debunking I think you know even though 2346 01:40:18,450 --> 01:40:15,400 as you're using it properly it has kind 2347 01:40:22,260 --> 01:40:18,460 of a bad connotation and but when you're 2348 01:40:24,060 --> 01:40:22,270 explaining something that you know what 2349 01:40:26,430 --> 01:40:24,070 I would I consider but debunking that 2350 01:40:28,380 --> 01:40:26,440 phrase used more for if if someone is 2351 01:40:30,360 --> 01:40:28,390 hoaxing and then you can debunk that 2352 01:40:32,130 --> 01:40:30,370 there you can debunk that it's a hoax 2353 01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:32,140 you know that type of thing but when you 2354 01:40:38,490 --> 01:40:33,840 explain something that's unidentified 2355 01:40:41,010 --> 01:40:38,500 that's to me you know being sick skeptic 2356 01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:41,020 and taking a real look at it make making 2357 01:40:46,260 --> 01:40:44,050 sure you're understanding what it is you 2358 01:40:48,780 --> 01:40:46,270 know I agree wholeheartedly that you 2359 01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:48,790 know whatever the truth whatever the 2360 01:40:53,310 --> 01:40:50,560 evidence actually leads that's where 2361 01:40:56,700 --> 01:40:53,320 that's what it really is and why try to 2362 01:40:58,110 --> 01:40:56,710 pretend it's anything else yeah and I 2363 01:41:00,030 --> 01:40:58,120 think you're totally right on 2364 01:41:01,260 --> 01:41:00,040 terminology I think we need to people 2365 01:41:02,340 --> 01:41:01,270 that are interested in this have to work 2366 01:41:04,050 --> 01:41:02,350 together to come up with good 2367 01:41:05,430 --> 01:41:04,060 terminology right that isn't insulting 2368 01:41:06,810 --> 01:41:05,440 to people we don't 2369 01:41:08,250 --> 01:41:06,820 want people not to come forward we don't 2370 01:41:11,610 --> 01:41:08,260 want people not to Sharon you know 2371 01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:11,620 unique experiences it's just if this is 2372 01:41:16,740 --> 01:41:13,330 just from my reaction from being 2373 01:41:18,570 --> 01:41:16,750 something that has taken the risk to go 2374 01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:18,580 into this realm and it's been a hundred 2375 01:41:22,410 --> 01:41:20,560 percent good I've never had one thing 2376 01:41:24,330 --> 01:41:22,420 I've never had with a whole some of the 2377 01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:24,340 crazy emails and correspondence and 2378 01:41:28,260 --> 01:41:26,170 everything else will come from us I've 2379 01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:28,270 never had anybody questioning or like 2380 01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:31,290 it's never damaged anything that I do or 2381 01:41:36,689 --> 01:41:33,520 anything like that you mentioned that on 2382 01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:36,699 the very start of the show and and like 2383 01:41:40,770 --> 01:41:38,650 I say if it's done right if you do if 2384 01:41:44,550 --> 01:41:40,780 you work this topic correctly and you 2385 01:41:46,770 --> 01:41:44,560 just go after the effects and you just 2386 01:41:48,979 --> 01:41:46,780 display them for people and you just you 2387 01:41:53,870 --> 01:41:48,989 know let's let that fall where it may 2388 01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:53,880 it's a totally different reaction then 2389 01:41:59,040 --> 01:41:56,170 predisposition and talking like 2390 01:42:00,420 --> 01:41:59,050 basically to acquire I want to get 2391 01:42:03,060 --> 01:42:00,430 people interested in the topic that 2392 01:42:05,100 --> 01:42:03,070 aren't you know that that's my goal you 2393 01:42:06,959 --> 01:42:05,110 know is to get people that say oh man 2394 01:42:09,709 --> 01:42:06,969 this is junk and you know this is all 2395 01:42:12,750 --> 01:42:09,719 just stuff men in black movie you know 2396 01:42:13,979 --> 01:42:12,760 Hollywood stuff I like to have people 2397 01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:13,989 open their mind a little bit you know 2398 01:42:19,290 --> 01:42:17,050 and it seems to work so there is a way 2399 01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:19,300 to do it I really believe and it denied 2400 01:42:23,970 --> 01:42:21,130 to other reporters out there that stay 2401 01:42:25,950 --> 01:42:23,980 away from it you know or always write a 2402 01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:25,960 report about it with a laugh at the end 2403 01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:28,690 which is what we see mainly right mm-hmm 2404 01:42:32,850 --> 01:42:31,840 I think that's not reporting yeah you 2405 01:42:34,979 --> 01:42:32,860 know you should never written that 2406 01:42:37,350 --> 01:42:34,989 report if it's a joke that's right right 2407 01:42:39,510 --> 01:42:37,360 guys you never had never done that you 2408 01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:39,520 know then that's just the same way and 2409 01:42:44,340 --> 01:42:41,890 you know a news report we're at the end 2410 01:42:47,670 --> 01:42:44,350 they'll play x-files music you know the 2411 01:42:51,770 --> 01:42:47,680 same thing same exact way yep Leslie can 2412 01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:51,780 I speak with her you know fairly often 2413 01:42:58,620 --> 01:42:55,210 recently as well and she are you 2414 01:43:02,430 --> 01:42:58,630 familiar with who Leslie Kane is I'm not 2415 01:43:03,810 --> 01:43:02,440 she wrote a really good book called boy 2416 01:43:05,130 --> 01:43:03,820 I'm gonna get this wrong because I I 2417 01:43:11,310 --> 01:43:05,140 just do that 2418 01:43:13,620 --> 01:43:11,320 generals pilots in mmm Leslie she's a 2419 01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:13,630 journalist she actually is one of the 2420 01:43:18,850 --> 01:43:17,410 three that broke the story of the in 2421 01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:18,860 December 16th 2422 01:43:23,470 --> 01:43:22,010 about the Pentagon's search for UFOs her 2423 01:43:25,570 --> 01:43:23,480 oh right yeah I know you're talking 2424 01:43:27,729 --> 01:43:25,580 about yes I'm very aware forward yeah 2425 01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:27,739 she's done some others didn't area 51 2426 01:43:34,660 --> 01:43:30,290 book I believe that the same person no 2427 01:43:38,189 --> 01:43:34,670 the one her her book that really she's 2428 01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:38,199 known for the most is generals pilots 2429 01:43:43,390 --> 01:43:40,610 and government officials go on the 2430 01:43:45,910 --> 01:43:43,400 record UFOs and the file or words by 2431 01:43:48,340 --> 01:43:45,920 John Podesta so that's the one she's 2432 01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:48,350 mostly known for but she shares exactly 2433 01:43:52,450 --> 01:43:50,810 what you were saying as far as the 2434 01:43:55,930 --> 01:43:52,460 philosophy about approaching this 2435 01:43:57,580 --> 01:43:55,940 subject very very carefully and she has 2436 01:44:00,310 --> 01:43:57,590 been you know trying to work with people 2437 01:44:02,109 --> 01:44:00,320 in Washington and she's extremely 2438 01:44:04,450 --> 01:44:02,119 careful and I brought this up also with 2439 01:44:07,660 --> 01:44:04,460 Vincent ahead of you and that is the 2440 01:44:12,010 --> 01:44:07,670 term is used you ap instead of UFOs 2441 01:44:13,629 --> 01:44:12,020 because of you know UFOs seem to be 2442 01:44:17,530 --> 01:44:13,639 associated with a little green men and 2443 01:44:19,540 --> 01:44:17,540 you know what do you see I know I mean 2444 01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:19,550 there's definitely connotation there um 2445 01:44:23,140 --> 01:44:21,290 you know that was one thing I was really 2446 01:44:25,180 --> 01:44:23,150 afraid to use them I'll be totally 2447 01:44:26,979 --> 01:44:25,190 honest with your listenership here well 2448 01:44:30,010 --> 01:44:26,989 when I started you know taking the risk 2449 01:44:31,540 --> 01:44:30,020 to do this stuff right I said man I just 2450 01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:31,550 can't put you a foeman there you know I 2451 01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:35,810 just can't do it and after after a 2452 01:44:38,919 --> 01:44:37,130 couple of the pieces I think I think the 2453 01:44:40,689 --> 01:44:38,929 Arizona piece was the one that I did I 2454 01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:40,699 used it and I thought I might get 2455 01:44:44,700 --> 01:44:43,280 pushback from this I got none because 2456 01:44:47,590 --> 01:44:44,710 it's what matters are the facts 2457 01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:47,600 if you don't sell it as something you 2458 01:44:52,390 --> 01:44:49,130 don't try to make a conclusion 2459 01:44:54,490 --> 01:44:52,400 you know people can overlook even you 2460 01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:54,500 know bad terminology or everything else 2461 01:44:59,379 --> 01:44:56,000 but yeah that's definitely part of it 2462 01:45:00,879 --> 01:44:59,389 you know you know but also we're living 2463 01:45:04,149 --> 01:45:00,889 in a time now where you know we use this 2464 01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:04,159 to the Stars thing happening there's a 2465 01:45:11,140 --> 01:45:06,130 lot going on with that I'm very 2466 01:45:12,250 --> 01:45:11,150 interested in skeptical about and you 2467 01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:12,260 know we're gonna be working on that a 2468 01:45:16,020 --> 01:45:14,239 little bit in the future yeah what's 2469 01:45:19,180 --> 01:45:16,030 your you know it's good that there's I 2470 01:45:22,470 --> 01:45:19,190 hear I get a lot of email about to the 2471 01:45:25,300 --> 01:45:22,480 stars Academy with varied opinions and 2472 01:45:29,770 --> 01:45:25,310 one of my listeners is actually he 2473 01:45:32,379 --> 01:45:29,780 toured with a blank for several years 2474 01:45:32,830 --> 01:45:32,389 and he's a friend of Tom DeLong's and 2475 01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:32,840 said 2476 01:45:36,250 --> 01:45:34,400 let me get him for the show he won't he 2477 01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:36,260 won't be on the show I mean that he's 2478 01:45:42,850 --> 01:45:38,719 told not to do any shows after he did 2479 01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:42,860 one with Joe who I think in her Joe 2480 01:45:47,830 --> 01:45:45,650 Rogan Rogan I'm yes yeah yeah 2481 01:45:51,070 --> 01:45:47,840 so doctored it was not good it didn't 2482 01:45:52,959 --> 01:45:51,080 help them any outsider someone that's 2483 01:45:55,540 --> 01:45:52,969 not actually in the UFO field what do 2484 01:45:58,419 --> 01:45:55,550 you think about in general about what 2485 01:45:59,800 --> 01:45:58,429 they're trying to do there hey listen I 2486 01:46:01,899 --> 01:45:59,810 think it's cool so they're interested in 2487 01:46:04,060 --> 01:46:01,909 this topic you know I think it's good 2488 01:46:06,100 --> 01:46:04,070 good for Tom to you know he he's got a 2489 01:46:07,780 --> 01:46:06,110 passion that he wants to explore and I'm 2490 01:46:10,870 --> 01:46:07,790 that's that's everything in life right 2491 01:46:12,729 --> 01:46:10,880 so you know I'm nothing about the people 2492 01:46:15,669 --> 01:46:12,739 involved and they all seem like dandy 2493 01:46:17,649 --> 01:46:15,679 he's got great people on that team you 2494 01:46:19,540 --> 01:46:17,659 know everything else but you know I just 2495 01:46:21,910 --> 01:46:19,550 didn't skeptical about a lot of things 2496 01:46:23,379 --> 01:46:21,920 that how came about and you know I 2497 01:46:25,629 --> 01:46:23,389 really don't want to say too much this 2498 01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:25,639 time because it's something that we're 2499 01:46:33,070 --> 01:46:28,489 gonna be developing in the future it's 2500 01:46:35,500 --> 01:46:33,080 just me it's to me it seems a bit odd no 2501 01:46:37,990 --> 01:46:35,510 in fact even the a tip program seems 2502 01:46:40,330 --> 01:46:38,000 very odd and it goes there's some common 2503 01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:40,340 themes that run from that a tip or 2504 01:46:47,290 --> 01:46:45,170 there's a tip program through the to the 2505 01:46:50,649 --> 01:46:47,300 Stars Academy in that whole backstory 2506 01:46:53,890 --> 01:46:50,659 and on that I found very interesting I 2507 01:46:54,609 --> 01:46:53,900 think need to be looked into but we'll 2508 01:46:56,109 --> 01:46:54,619 see what happens 2509 01:47:00,220 --> 01:46:56,119 you know they've claimed a lot haven't 2510 01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:00,230 seen anything if if I had material from 2511 01:47:04,629 --> 01:47:02,810 a spacecraft potentially you know 2512 01:47:07,570 --> 01:47:04,639 something that we need hearing or some 2513 01:47:10,660 --> 01:47:07,580 unknown material man I'm taking that 2514 01:47:12,700 --> 01:47:10,670 under under guard to a lab getting basic 2515 01:47:14,859 --> 01:47:12,710 results done and if they're abnormal I 2516 01:47:17,770 --> 01:47:14,869 am disclosing that immediately to major 2517 01:47:19,839 --> 01:47:17,780 networks well you know I mean I'm not we 2518 01:47:21,250 --> 01:47:19,849 have party men we we have someone 2519 01:47:23,620 --> 01:47:21,260 actually listening to the show right now 2520 01:47:25,750 --> 01:47:23,630 that I know is involved in something 2521 01:47:29,530 --> 01:47:25,760 like that that we are going to know 2522 01:47:32,140 --> 01:47:29,540 about this year the results of of what 2523 01:47:33,910 --> 01:47:32,150 they determine which i think is is 2524 01:47:37,060 --> 01:47:33,920 fascinating you know of course we all 2525 01:47:38,140 --> 01:47:37,070 have to be skeptic until you know and 2526 01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:38,150 just because something is unusual 2527 01:47:45,580 --> 01:47:41,810 doesn't mean that it it you know came 2528 01:47:46,810 --> 01:47:45,590 from outer space but but it got it I 2529 01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:46,820 mean it is possible 2530 01:47:51,850 --> 01:47:49,610 it's just I think like I think there's 2531 01:47:53,530 --> 01:47:51,860 delivering needs to deliver more now you 2532 01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:53,540 know there's just a lot of hype about it 2533 01:47:55,930 --> 01:47:55,250 there's just a pipe themselves up a lot 2534 01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:55,940 which is great 2535 01:47:59,410 --> 01:47:57,290 listen I don't want to be critical of 2536 01:48:00,910 --> 01:47:59,420 them in their operation like that I'm 2537 01:48:02,380 --> 01:48:00,920 just telling you stuff that that red 2538 01:48:04,420 --> 01:48:02,390 flags for me from doing being a 2539 01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:04,430 journalist you know doing what I do you 2540 01:48:08,650 --> 01:48:06,650 know it's just stuff that doesn't make 2541 01:48:10,210 --> 01:48:08,660 sense lots of big claims that you know 2542 01:48:12,510 --> 01:48:10,220 that there's all this stuff and things 2543 01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:12,520 take time I understand that for sure but 2544 01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:16,400 you know it'd be nice to see more beyond 2545 01:48:21,010 --> 01:48:18,290 that I think that as far as that looks 2546 01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:21,020 like that to the Stars idea you know I'm 2547 01:48:25,210 --> 01:48:23,090 I'm a kind of problem with the name I 2548 01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:25,220 got a problem with the fact that they're 2549 01:48:29,350 --> 01:48:26,960 winding entertainment into it 2550 01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:29,360 yeah that definitely destroy its 2551 01:48:33,490 --> 01:48:31,370 credibility to me and I get it you need 2552 01:48:34,630 --> 01:48:33,500 to pay for this stuff it is you know but 2553 01:48:35,140 --> 01:48:34,640 a lot of people think that's very 2554 01:48:38,500 --> 01:48:35,150 strange 2555 01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:38,510 yes you're not alone in that thought but 2556 01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:38,930 um 2557 01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:40,850 yeah they do they do have to raise funds 2558 01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:42,770 now we only have about a minute and a 2559 01:48:47,290 --> 01:48:45,170 half here just just over a minute can 2560 01:48:49,330 --> 01:48:47,300 you just for the listener out there can 2561 01:48:51,370 --> 01:48:49,340 you tell them some of the stories that 2562 01:48:52,810 --> 01:48:51,380 you have reported on in a quick nutshell 2563 01:48:56,710 --> 01:48:52,820 that you can get done in about a minute 2564 01:48:57,940 --> 01:48:56,720 oh yeah I mean for the for this whole 2565 01:49:00,760 --> 01:48:57,950 world that we're talking about 2566 01:49:03,310 --> 01:49:00,770 definitely the working sighting that has 2567 01:49:05,890 --> 01:49:03,320 follow up on that the FAA or the Arizona 2568 01:49:07,750 --> 01:49:05,900 one was pretty big we did the long 2569 01:49:11,020 --> 01:49:07,760 island one and we've stayed pretty good 2570 01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:11,030 on this the nimitz encounter in 2004 2571 01:49:14,530 --> 01:49:12,650 with the you know so-called tic-tac 2572 01:49:16,510 --> 01:49:14,540 we're probably gonna be revisiting that 2573 01:49:18,580 --> 01:49:16,520 but i'm really there's so many people 2574 01:49:21,190 --> 01:49:18,590 that are on that I'm gonna be recapping 2575 01:49:23,380 --> 01:49:21,200 more than anything else but there's some 2576 01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:23,390 interesting areas the main thing I get 2577 01:49:26,710 --> 01:49:24,800 asked is do you think this thing is 2578 01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:26,720 extraterrestrial you guys I'm not gonna 2579 01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:29,690 fit leave your audience with this the 2580 01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:32,000 government has spent billions and 2581 01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:33,530 billions and billions of dollars a year 2582 01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:37,520 in black budget programs for the better 2583 01:49:41,260 --> 01:49:38,570 part of a century 2584 01:49:43,270 --> 01:49:41,270 okay eventually you're gonna get some 2585 01:49:45,010 --> 01:49:43,280 really incredible technology out of that 2586 01:49:46,780 --> 01:49:45,020 and some of that stuff is not going to 2587 01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:46,790 be enemies probably so incredible you 2588 01:49:53,290 --> 01:49:50,330 don't want to even use it okay so keep 2589 01:49:54,730 --> 01:49:53,300 your mind open that it even this extreme 2590 01:49:57,460 --> 01:49:54,740 capabilities that these crafts are 2591 01:49:58,900 --> 01:49:57,470 supposedly able to do I'm not here to 2592 01:50:00,250 --> 01:49:58,910 tell you like people say oh we don't 2593 01:50:02,170 --> 01:50:00,260 have from 2594 01:50:04,770 --> 01:50:02,180 like looking into this particular world 2595 01:50:08,790 --> 01:50:04,780 like the black project world for so long 2596 01:50:11,620 --> 01:50:08,800 there's no way I can tell you that right 2597 01:50:12,130 --> 01:50:11,630 there we have to have you won again it's 2598 01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:12,140 too short 2599 01:50:17,350 --> 01:50:14,930 we're out of time so hey thanks so much 2600 01:50:19,530 --> 01:50:17,360 and you go to the drive or the war zone 2601 01:50:21,250 --> 01:50:19,540 they can find your stories right 2602 01:50:23,140 --> 01:50:21,260 absolutely and hey thanks for dealing 2603 01:50:25,570 --> 01:50:23,150 with the like I say the Kermit the Frog 2604 01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:25,580 and every breathe in here so next time 2605 01:50:28,780 --> 01:50:27,050 will be a little bit clearer for you all 2606 01:50:31,270 --> 01:50:28,790 right all right Tyra thanks so much and 2607 01:50:33,370 --> 01:50:31,280 I'll talk to you God all right you two 2608 01:50:34,510 --> 01:50:33,380 look like alright everyone so that's it 2609 01:50:37,150 --> 01:50:34,520 for the show I want to thank everyone 2610 01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:37,160 that's helped out with the show and also 2611 01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:39,410 next week we are going to be talking 2612 01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:40,489 more about this we're going to have 2613 01:50:46,990 --> 01:50:43,040 Robert Powell on talking about the 2614 01:50:48,700 --> 01:50:47,000 Nimitz so I want to also thank you of 2615 01:50:51,070 --> 01:50:48,710 the listener and the people that helped 2616 01:50:53,650 --> 01:50:51,080 out with the show and people over at 2617 01:50:56,110 --> 01:50:53,660 YouTube K GRA and over at the dark 2618 01:50:56,380 --> 01:50:56,120 meadow digital network everyone all 2619 01:50:58,420 --> 01:50:56,390 right